What do you guys think of the Autarch?

Myridus

So I've been trying out the different elites across the Eldar (and others), but I'm having trouble finding one more destructive than the Autarch not counting the super walkers. My opinion is that he's broken as hell. If you haven't had the pleasure of pulling off his W->Q->W combo on an entire enemy army, you must try it. I've had games where the enemy massed 6 sniper squads and you can't approach them. So I just grab them all at once and insta gib all of them.

In case you're not aware, the W throws out the cyclones and his Q does his sky jump. When he does that, all enemy hit by the W and in between the cyclones will be pulled under him at the same time. Your "new" W in the air is a x10 plasma grenade drop. This combo insta gibs every infantry I've used it on. I've also tested casting W-Q as fast as I can, and it will still grab the unit it hits. To top it all off, he still have the sky leap landing thing when he's up in the air that works as an AoE stun after all that.

Have you guys found anything so destructive in a single Elite that's not a super walker? My Elite loadout is always the Scorps/Autarch/Wraithknight.

HohesHaus

Nope but that's why he is a "Bomber" Class. He is destrutive as hell and one of the most dangerous heroes in the game, who can solo whole armies.

I like Scorpions + Banshees more, but compared to the costs you need to nuke a army with Shees and Scorpions to just one single hero - he is just the best

FakeSweden

Go Scorpions for Early, Autarch Kyre for Middle, and Taldeer for Late! Super Strong Elite game.

Larkis

I dont like Idee so i dont play him. But i Heart he should be really strong

WarpZone

I might use the autarch, do you know if his cyclone works on vehicles?

Vodacce

@WarpZone It does work on vehicles.

Which is a bit mind boggling by the way. Hell of a wind to pull a 40 tons predator.

Old_Raven

I don't like taldeer for a bunch of reasons, but yes, Kyre is all around amazing. He tanks like a boss, deals solid damage and his combo is devastating. His landing deals a ton of damage to vehicles as well. He can easily manfight elites like Angelos too!

Larkis

I buyes Kyre yesterday (was a hard decision between him and the warpspiders). But i never played them. Could someone give me some tipps please how to use Kyre?

Krupp

Sure, toss out cyclones on enemy units, fly up(Q) and immediatly press plasma bombs (W) and delete pretty much everything caught in the cyclones.

Skemooo

he can pull a freaking deathstorm droppod and it bugs out in the middle of air where mele units cant wack it.. :P.. you can do W-> W-> then Q -> W you can actually actiavte q even before the winds reach max distance they will scoop everything in path so no need to wait for wind to hit the end ..

I usually do W..then wait a sec then do W in another direction then press q immediately this pulls from 2 directions..

Solomon

Question: I just bought and played with the Autarch; he didn't appear to have a cyclone ability; what gives? He could fly and drop grenades - that's it. Did I miss something?

Larkis

The Autarch is a little bit trikky, i also startet to play ihm and testet him against easy AI.

He hast to Stages.

1. He is on the ground. He could start to fly and throw small cyclones which slows and make a little bit damage.

2. He is flying. He could do a smash-landing (damage everyone in the landing area like Assault Marines, Scoripin Warrors or Stormboys) and drop granates.

Than he has 2 passives.

1. Every 6 hit with his sowrd is a critical strike which do more damage and give other units from you a shield, so he helps your troops staying alive.
2. When he start to fly, every enemy newar him AND ever enemy in one of his cyclones will sucked under his position.

The most common strategy with him is that:

1. Attack the enemy in meele (on foot) together with your melee forces.
2. Put the cyclones on ranged enemys like devastators, dark reaper or lootaz/shootaz.
3. Start to fly so everyone of them get sucked to the autarch position and came in range of your melee units, which would be very happy to see them.
4. when all of them are under the autarch, drop the plasma granades to do a lot damage.
5. after the granates are down, jump back on the ground and help killing the survivors.
6. Wait for cooldown ends and repeat.

Nautiloidor

@Larkis said:
The Autarch is a little bit trikky, i also startet to play ihm and testet him against easy AI.

He hast to Stages.

1. He is on the ground. He could start to fly and throw small cyclones which slows and make a little bit damage.

2. He is flying. He could do a smash-landing (damage everyone in the landing area like Assault Marines, Scoripin Warrors or Stormboys) and drop granates.

Than he has 2 passives.

1. Every 6 hit with his sowrd is a critical strike which do more damage and give other units from you a shield, so he helps your troops staying alive.
2. When he start to fly, every enemy newar him AND ever enemy in one of his cyclones will sucked under his position.

The most common strategy with him is that:

1. Attack the enemy in meele (on foot) together with your melee forces.
2. Put the cyclones on ranged enemys like devastators, dark reaper or lootaz/shootaz.
3. Start to fly so everyone of them get sucked to the autarch position and came in range of your melee units, which would be very happy to see them.
4. when all of them are under the autarch, drop the plasma granades to do a lot damage.

If timed correctly, just after making him fly, make 3-4 squads of banshees QS on his position. I've only pulled it off once but holy crap, it was a massacre.

5. after the granates are down, jump back on the ground and help killing the survivors.
6. Wait for cooldown ends and repeat.

frumpylumps

Most OP elite IMO. Wipes armies like no other and all his attacks are true damage. +durable +flying.

I'd probably enjoy this game a lot more if the elites were no where near as powerful as they are.

Old_Raven

I agree that he's at the very top of the list of elites. The 5 elites that need some tuning imo are Kyre, Scorpions, Stormboys, Meganobz and Weirdboy, in that order.
Kyre's damage and impact in big fights is just way off the charts. Scorpions are just a tad too good all around and true damage is freaking broken early on. Stormboys are okay-ish as a unit, but trucks able to cast suicide are just too strong and stormboys still allows you 25% damage on a tower or shield gen for a single scrap. Meganobz impact on mid-lategame fights is still huge and weirdboy is just the best nuker after Kyre for just 3 points, truck taunt into meteor is basically a wiped stack and often massive damage onto vehicles.

jambai

Meganobz wall thingy' is amazing but other than that, they're mediocre at best. Kyre's combo is actually avoidable, something you can't say for weirdboy or macha so he's mostly fine to me.
Mostly. I think the potential damage needs some tuning but that's all really.

Shas_02

Ive had the autarch crush my predators. . . .I was overwhelmed with sadness ='(.

PaperBaG

Picks up everything, by far most broken Elite in the game

QualQuek

@PaperBaG said:
Picks up everything, by far most broken Elite in the game

The simple fact he can grab orbital relay makes him totally broken

Quitt

I know I'm a newb but you guys make me feel like an ever worse ++heresy redacted++ because when I played him he seemed pretty weak to me and removed him from my roster. The only thing I liked was this shield thingy for allied units when crit striking or something

crippler38

@Quitt said:
I know I'm a newb but you guys make me feel like an ever worse ++heresy redacted++ because when I played him he seemed pretty weak to me and removed him from my roster. The only thing I liked was this shield thingy for allied units when crit striking or something

you just have to think of him differently, consider the fact that he does a lot of true damage, which makes him effective against all targets, he can be a skimmer, which makes him hyper mobile, he can force enemy units to blob, which makes for easy aoe wipes, and he can slow, which makes his suck easier to hit.

Tac on the fact that he's almost as tanky as gabe and can regen shields to your whole army making him even tankier than gabe most of the time, and you have basically the best elite in the game.

TheDukeofDirty

IMO the best mid cost elite in the game for large battles.

PaperBaG

Maybe relic threw eldar players a bone and "forgot" about him

Old_Raven

@Quitt said:
I know I'm a newb but you guys make me feel like an ever worse ++heresy redacted++ because when I played him he seemed pretty weak to me and removed him from my roster. The only thing I liked was this shield thingy for allied units when crit striking or something

Try his combo. Whirlwind the enemies army/put whirlwinds behind them (so the enemies troops are between kyre and his whirlwinds), press q and then spread w on the army below him. If he doesn't get stunned or taunted he will shred pretty much anything, the bomb damage kills 0/0 killakahns f.e. If something survives just land on it.

Cataclaw has a video where he bombs an entire space marine army on his twitch, check it out!

A good stasis+whirlwind combo is basically game winning. Macha+Kyre are the two things that are broken enough to keep Eldar in the game despite Eldar units being worse in every tier.

Quitt

@Old_Raven said:

@Quitt said:
I know I'm a newb but you guys make me feel like an ever worse ++heresy redacted++ because when I played him he seemed pretty weak to me and removed him from my roster. The only thing I liked was this shield thingy for allied units when crit striking or something

Try his combo. Whirlwind the enemies army/put whirlwinds behind them (so the enemies troops are between kyre and his whirlwinds), press q and then spread w on the army below him. If he doesn't get stunned or taunted he will shred pretty much anything, the bomb damage kills 0/0 killakahns f.e. If something survives just land on it.

Cataclaw has a video where he bombs an entire space marine army on his twitch, check it out!

A good stasis+whirlwind combo is basically game winning. Macha+Kyre are the two things that are broken enough to keep Eldar in the game despite Eldar units being worse in every tier.

I saw some clips of Kyre being Kyre, but to me his controls seem... off. I tried to do that a couple of times but I always messed smth up. For now I'm gonna stick with warp spiders. I prefer their solid all-around performance, rarther than being a one-trick pony. I'll probably give Kyre a chance in the future again, maybe after some changes, but for now, nah

Old_Raven

He isn't really a one-trick pony. Even if his combo is down he is powerful, the whirlwinds help catching fleeing units or destroy setup infantry (they do pure damage btw, so they are fairly good vs Wraithguards too f.e.), he is fairly mobile in his flight mode (although that means combo is down when he lands) and has a high hp pool combined with decent pure attack damage.