@Spirit said:
Cataclaw used the conduit pretty well in the following cast
I like it too, it can disrupt an enemy army and slow it down. The regular storm is kinda useless tho only to use to slow units a bit.
Lol he made a great comeback from a bad start, then he had great map control, he lost only because the ultra laser of doom melted his whole army, and then the dropped dreaghnaught two shotted the fire prism. he didnt deserve to lose imho
Well he blobed up his whole army right there, if he did split up his forces a bit better it wouldnt have been so devastating for him. Both deserved to win, both players played very well. I can understand tho that you did cheer more for the eldar player as this is the eldar section^^
@Spirit said:
Well he blobed up his whole army right there, if he did split up his forces a bit better it wouldnt have been so devastating for him. Both deserved to win, both players played very well. I can understand tho that you did cheer more for the eldar player as this is the eldar section^^
-Space marine gets his army caught in the eldritch storm several times in that game
-Space marine player takes some damage and is mildly inconvenienced
-Eldar player gets his army caught in the orbital bombardment once
-Eldar player's army is deleted within seconds, costing him the game
@Spirit said:
Well he blobed up his whole army right there, if he did split up his forces a bit better it wouldnt have been so devastating for him. Both deserved to win, both players played very well. I can understand tho that you did cheer more for the eldar player as this is the eldar section^^
-Space marine gets his army caught in the eldritch storm several times in that game
-Space marine player takes some damage and is mildly inconvenienced
-Eldar player gets his army caught in the orbital bombardment once
-Eldar player's army is deleted within seconds, costing him the game
I think the storm is more powerful than most think, but this does sorta hit the nail on the head. It's not about the storm it's about how impossible the orbital bombardment is and how devastating it is.
I have had games where I've being winning every micro encounter. My units are hard paid for then 1 orbital cleans my army up and game over. No real skill just a lucky shot and congrats you take the championship. It annoys me cos I hate being beaten by no'obs. I enjoy a gg and and don't mind when I lose but it's stupid moves like the orbital and op whirl winds that gets my blood boiling, a race advantage that the dev's look the other way when anybody ever mentions.
Strom is useless. Well entire eldar army is useless in fact. Thier unit's not going well with each other.Ther "uniqe" battle focus shield mechanics is copied by 90% of other faction armied by different way. Well that's good-old topic.
Basically there are 3 stages for eldar player.
1) You think they weak and raging.
2) You think they fine and just need to play smarter.
3) You understand that eldar in deep ++heresy redacted++ and you can be outplayed by orcs and SM with little efford from thier side. You not raging anymore and look on current situation like comedy-drama movie. Cause on similiar skill level you just get smashed by SM a orc over and over, no matter tactic you use and what doctrines you pick. Doctrines is specail story: SM: "Hm... so much options, can't choose what i will paly today" Orc:"Shoud i pick damage or more damage?" Eldar: "Which ++heresy redacted++ is less useless here".
You can pretty much always take out an orbital cannon even if you have just 1 unit on it tho, then the whole thing becomes useless. Problem is, Eldar has basically no units other than elites if you want to sacrifice one once they leap/warp there.
Also lol @ that video. Self-proclaimed pros that lose all da time and have like 40 minute 1v1 where a 9 pt elite comes out, why would you 'study' basically a ++heresy redacted++ saying he is a pro? Waste of time anime kids who propped themselves up as usual to the 'esports finals' or wateva.
I think eldritch storm is more of a CC type of ultimate. Meant to slow enemies down while your forces escape. It has the biggest AOE of all nukes. People might just see it as useless because it doesnt wipe squads when maybe it was designed to be used differently.
@CANNED_F3TUS said:
I think eldritch storm is more of a CC type of ultimate. Meant to slow enemies down while your forces escape. It has the biggest AOE of all nukes. People might just see it as useless because it doesnt wipe squads when maybe it was designed to be used differently.
Doesn't that imply it was designed to be underpowered and it's almost a requirement to use it? They are meant to be game-changers and also set you back if you haven't spent your points on elites.
Eldar elites still are generally worse than their counterparts. Jane Zar can't beat Angelos or Gorgutz. Macha is actually quite bad compared to the other 3 pt elites. WraithLord? Meet SuperNobz with rockets and also Venerable Dreadnought which each can kite it quite easily.
If the other 2 abilities can wipe out a large force or take out a 9-point-elite in one go then ES is just by definition underpowered.
It even takes one of those already weaker elites out of the fight when you need them to be tanking most.
@CANNED_F3TUS said:
I think eldritch storm is more of a CC type of ultimate. Meant to slow enemies down while your forces escape. It has the biggest AOE of all nukes. People might just see it as useless because it doesnt wipe squads when maybe it was designed to be used differently.
Doesn't that imply it was designed to be underpowered and it's almost a requirement to use it? They are meant to be game-changers and also set you back if you haven't spent your points on elites.
Eldar elites still are generally worse than their counterparts. Jane Zar can't beat Angelos or Gorgutz. Macha is actually quite bad compared to the other 3 pt elites. WraithLord? Meet SuperNobz with rockets and also Venerable Dreadnought which each can kite it quite easily.
Quite debatable.
Jain zar is designed as a infantry killer/ harrasser not a elite killer.
Macha is pretty strong and has alot of utility and scales fairly well all the way to end game with some of her abilities.
If the other 2 abilities can wipe out a large force or take out a 9-point-elite in one go then ES is just by definition underpowered.
It even takes one of those already weaker elites out of the fight when you need them to be tanking most.
Well you may be right with the nuke so what are your suggestion. I can tell you already that if they gonna buff damage on that storm they are gonna have to shrink AOE. Or they could make tge storm do more damage in conduit form but be weaker in storm form.
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houndtide
Very true. This is about skill now and you are right, played right and it becomes harder to counter, as with all 3 races.
Spirit
Cataclaw used the conduit pretty well in the following cast
I like it too, it can disrupt an enemy army and slow it down. The regular storm is kinda useless tho only to use to slow units a bit.
InVerno
Lol he made a great comeback from a bad start, then he had great map control, he lost only because the ultra laser of doom melted his whole army, and then the dropped dreaghnaught two shotted the fire prism. he didnt deserve to lose imho
And people still say SM are balanced
Spirit
Well he blobed up his whole army right there, if he did split up his forces a bit better it wouldnt have been so devastating for him. Both deserved to win, both players played very well. I can understand tho that you did cheer more for the eldar player as this is the eldar section^^
Darkstirling
-Space marine gets his army caught in the eldritch storm several times in that game
-Space marine player takes some damage and is mildly inconvenienced
-Eldar player gets his army caught in the orbital bombardment once
-Eldar player's army is deleted within seconds, costing him the game
houndtide
I think the storm is more powerful than most think, but this does sorta hit the nail on the head. It's not about the storm it's about how impossible the orbital bombardment is and how devastating it is.
I have had games where I've being winning every micro encounter. My units are hard paid for then 1 orbital cleans my army up and game over. No real skill just a lucky shot and congrats you take the championship. It annoys me cos I hate being beaten by no'obs. I enjoy a gg and and don't mind when I lose but it's stupid moves like the orbital and op whirl winds that gets my blood boiling, a race advantage that the dev's look the other way when anybody ever mentions.
Lepreconum
Strom is useless. Well entire eldar army is useless in fact. Thier unit's not going well with each other.Ther "uniqe" battle focus shield mechanics is copied by 90% of other faction armied by different way. Well that's good-old topic.
Basically there are 3 stages for eldar player.
1) You think they weak and raging.
2) You think they fine and just need to play smarter.
3) You understand that eldar in deep ++heresy redacted++ and you can be outplayed by orcs and SM with little efford from thier side. You not raging anymore and look on current situation like comedy-drama movie. Cause on similiar skill level you just get smashed by SM a orc over and over, no matter tactic you use and what doctrines you pick. Doctrines is specail story: SM: "Hm... so much options, can't choose what i will paly today" Orc:"Shoud i pick damage or more damage?" Eldar: "Which ++heresy redacted++ is less useless here".
esleg
You can pretty much always take out an orbital cannon even if you have just 1 unit on it tho, then the whole thing becomes useless. Problem is, Eldar has basically no units other than elites if you want to sacrifice one once they leap/warp there.
Also lol @ that video. Self-proclaimed pros that lose all da time and have like 40 minute 1v1 where a 9 pt elite comes out, why would you 'study' basically a ++heresy redacted++ saying he is a pro? Waste of time anime kids who propped themselves up as usual to the 'esports finals' or wateva.
CANNED_F3TUS
I think eldritch storm is more of a CC type of ultimate. Meant to slow enemies down while your forces escape. It has the biggest AOE of all nukes. People might just see it as useless because it doesnt wipe squads when maybe it was designed to be used differently.
esleg
Doesn't that imply it was designed to be underpowered and it's almost a requirement to use it? They are meant to be game-changers and also set you back if you haven't spent your points on elites.
Eldar elites still are generally worse than their counterparts. Jane Zar can't beat Angelos or Gorgutz. Macha is actually quite bad compared to the other 3 pt elites. WraithLord? Meet SuperNobz with rockets and also Venerable Dreadnought which each can kite it quite easily.
If the other 2 abilities can wipe out a large force or take out a 9-point-elite in one go then ES is just by definition underpowered.
It even takes one of those already weaker elites out of the fight when you need them to be tanking most.
CANNED_F3TUS
Quite debatable.
Jain zar is designed as a infantry killer/ harrasser not a elite killer.
Macha is pretty strong and has alot of utility and scales fairly well all the way to end game with some of her abilities.
Well you may be right with the nuke so what are your suggestion. I can tell you already that if they gonna buff damage on that storm they are gonna have to shrink AOE. Or they could make tge storm do more damage in conduit form but be weaker in storm form.