@AngelofDeth said:
Falcon is too paper and too expensive, so the damage its done is justified but falcon can't deal against heavy infantry and heavy armor squads. The shield doctrine is not permanent, it has HP which easily can be taken out by 2 anti-heavy armor squads. Why worried about falcon when you can hit tier 3 fast and get pred for less than 200 power while your opponent gets 1 falcon for 225 power which obviously will delayed his/her tier 3? Unless if you're messed up in tier 2 or 1, of course. Buy some time by getting 3 or 4 lascannon and you can deal against 1 falcon while you're upgrading to tier 3 because you don't need power to build lascannon which won't delayed your tier 3. Proper setup of lascannons also played important role. You can anticipate it when your opponent gets the shield doctrine for falcon, meaning your opponent will go fast falcon or just simply getting it after he/she microed well. Simply when you saw your opponent gets komando, you're gonna get some workers with your army. Well, the upcoming patch probably will enlightened more of these because now very few players played the eldar, so I rarely see someone trying to make some weird or awesome build for eldar.
predators for less than 200 power? plz tell me where you found that price that i will buy a handfull!
@Diogen84 said:
Our "small special eldar community" made so many garbage posts.. that topic is not for trolling.
Predators cost less than 200energy? pal, that says a lot about you as a player.
And shows that you know nothing about sm faction, jsut trying to adjust game to play more comfortable for YOURSELF.
My mistakes = p but still, falcon isn't worth to get for 225 power. They are only worth to get if your opponent spam so many infantry unit. I rather rush tier 3.
@AngelofDeth said:
Falcon is too paper and too expensive, so the damage its done is justified but falcon can't deal against heavy infantry and heavy armor squads. The shield doctrine is not permanent, it has HP which easily can be taken out by 2 anti-heavy armor squads. Why worried about falcon when you can hit tier 3 fast and get pred for less than 200 power while your opponent gets 1 falcon for 225 power which obviously will delayed his/her tier 3? Unless if you're messed up in tier 2 or 1, of course. Buy some time by getting 3 or 4 lascannon and you can deal against 1 falcon while you're upgrading to tier 3 because you don't need power to build lascannon which won't delayed your tier 3. Proper setup of lascannons also played important role. You can anticipate it when your opponent gets the shield doctrine for falcon, meaning your opponent will go fast falcon or just simply getting it after he/she microed well. Simply when you saw your opponent gets komando, you're gonna get some workers with your army. Well, the upcoming patch probably will enlightened more of these because now very few players played the eldar, so I rarely see someone trying to make some weird or awesome build for eldar.
predators for less than 200 power? plz tell me where you found that price that i will buy a handfull!
@Diogen84 said:
Our "small special eldar community" made so many garbage posts.. that topic is not for trolling.
Predators cost less than 200energy? pal, that says a lot about you as a player.
And shows that you know nothing about sm faction, jsut trying to adjust game to play more comfortable for YOURSELF.
My mistakes = p but still, falcon isn't worth to get for 225 power. They are only worth to get if your opponent spam so many infantry unit. I rather rush tier 3.
i was killed my mass falcons yesterday. everythink melts! o.O
Would love to see a replay for it. Btw, why don't you get landspeeder with melta since falcon melt against melta guns, but if you are against spectres too, then it's pretty difficult. Well, if he gets mass falcons then maybe you should get more preds and dreads then those falcons will become useless.
@AngelofDeth said:
Falcon is too paper and too expensive, so the damage its done is justified but falcon can't deal against heavy infantry and heavy armor squads. The shield doctrine is not permanent, it has HP which easily can be taken out by 2 anti-heavy armor squads. Why worried about falcon when you can hit tier 3 fast and get pred for less than 200 power while your opponent gets 1 falcon for 225 power which obviously will delayed his/her tier 3? Unless if you're messed up in tier 2 or 1, of course. Buy some time by getting 3 or 4 lascannon and you can deal against 1 falcon while you're upgrading to tier 3 because you don't need power to build lascannon which won't delayed your tier 3. Proper setup of lascannons also played important role. You can anticipate it when your opponent gets the shield doctrine for falcon, meaning your opponent will go fast falcon or just simply getting it after he/she microed well. Simply when you saw your opponent gets komando, you're gonna get some workers with your army. Well, the upcoming patch probably will enlightened more of these because now very few players played the eldar, so I rarely see someone trying to make some weird or awesome build for eldar.
predators for less than 200 power? plz tell me where you found that price that i will buy a handfull!
@Diogen84 said:
Our "small special eldar community" made so many garbage posts.. that topic is not for trolling.
Predators cost less than 200energy? pal, that says a lot about you as a player.
And shows that you know nothing about sm faction, jsut trying to adjust game to play more comfortable for YOURSELF.
My mistakes = p but still, falcon isn't worth to get for 225 power. They are only worth to get if your opponent spam so many infantry unit. I rather rush tier 3.
i was killed my mass falcons yesterday. everythink melts! o.O
Would love to see a replay for it. Btw, why don't you get landspeeder with melta since falcon melt against melta guns, but if you are against spectres too, then it's pretty difficult. Well, if he gets mass falcons then maybe you should get more preds and dreads then those falcons will become useless.
Nice, but ++heresy redacted++ the replay always crashed. I'm on 15 min of the game then it crashed but I detected some of your mistakes, you don't capture top and bot in 6 min while your opponent already captured it and fueled its power with 100+ power income while you only have 60+ power income like that. You turtled too long and you should harass other points too instead of just mid because Eldar can't live outside of its webway gate. The engagement that take place in 10 min of the game is where the eldar placed its webway gate. Moreover, your opponent didn't have spectre which means, land speeder is so good at that time to counter falcon. Plus, in 13-15 min something of the game is where your opponent has 203+ power income while yours only 70+ power income. I'm gonna watch the replay again and ++heresy redacted++ the crash.
@AngelofDeth said:
Nice, but ++heresy redacted++ the replay always crashed. I'm on 15 min of the game then it crashed but I detected some of your mistakes, you don't capture top and bot in 6 min while your opponent already captured it and fueled its power with 100+ power income while you only have 60+ power income like that. You turtled too long and you should harass other points too instead of just mid because Eldar can't live outside of its webway gate. The engagement that take place in 10 min of the game is where the eldar placed its webway gate. Moreover, your opponent didn't have spectre which means, land speeder is so good at that time to counter falcon. Plus, in 13-15 min something of the game is where your opponent has 203 power income while yours only 70+ power income. I'm gonna watch the replay again and ++heresy redacted++ the crash.
I'm sorry, it crashed again. I'm so sad I couldn't make conclusion of the game. I don't know what caused the crash. sigh but I managed to watch until 18 min of the game. In 17-18 min of the game, your opponent has both top and bot point which mean he/she has 245+ power income while yours only 90+ power income.
@Diogen84 said:
Our "small special eldar community" made so many garbage posts.. that topic is not for trolling.
Predators cost less than 200energy? pal, that says a lot about you as a player.
And shows that you know nothing about sm faction, jsut trying to adjust game to play more comfortable for YOURSELF.
I'd agree with u if u didn't say before SM have no heavy armored units, maybe u should play SM before complaining .
The same could be told to you)
In t1 noone in infantry is heavy
@Bigamo said:
its about playstyle, i did no mistake, i played in my way. i went for a requisition heavy build. And i won the game... Now i just lost to him in another game due to his own lack of honor, was going to be a great game then he abused Kyre and erased my army... He know it is broken, he know it is going to get fixed tomorrow, why abuse it? Is he a pro that need to keep win rate to earn sponsors? that what i miss the most of the old days, when people actually had some balls and when something was discovered as completely broken and OP it was avoided, nowadays kids discover a game breaking bug like the multiple generator constructors or Kyre and just use it over and over again. Should as well use a proper map hack and cheat properly.
On your observations, it was bad ones. if i move to poke other points i would lose the game, eldar is faster than SM and he had WWG in the whole map, you can't "poke" an opponent that is faster than you, either you attack it properly or you don't. I attacked mid point cause it was close enough of my own stuff to get back.
The one time we actually traded almost cost me the game. Never a good idea to trade with eldar.
Oh, and if i went for land speeders i would spend pluss 300 power that i used to make proper infantry upgrades.
Trust me, Eldar can't live outside webway gate. Your opponent only have 1 webway in the middle during 1-10 min of game. To build another webway will cost you so much because it will hurt your army composition. DA can't deal against ASM, with additional support of tact + drop pod + standard, they're pretty much dead. That's why eldar need a diversity in their army composition with DA + DR + Banshee in early game to have a better engagement but it's hard to keep this diversity since they died too fast and often ended up with more DR spam. No, you only need 1 or 2 landspeeder with melta gun against 2 falcon, that if there's no reapers nearby or spectre. Falcon counters normal armor only so they can't beat 1 speeders without additional support. Kyre will become rubbish in the next patch since his W will become much slower, which his W is already slow at this moment. So, warp spider will become better since his utility is much better and interesting to utilize.
I'm my opinion it's always worth going wide against Eldar even if you draw vision of a bone singer or a lone squad you can get an idea of where the webway radius stretches out to just based on the battle focus appearing or disappearing.
I always try to do this and then try and force fights where there are no gates early on.
As an Eldar player I can vouch for how annoying this is even if my opponent doesn't know the pinpoint location of my webway.
@Diogen84 said:
Our "small special eldar community" made so many garbage posts.. that topic is not for trolling.
Predators cost less than 200energy? pal, that says a lot about you as a player.
And shows that you know nothing about sm faction, jsut trying to adjust game to play more comfortable for YOURSELF.
I'd agree with u if u didn't say before SM have no heavy armored units, maybe u should play SM before complaining .
The same could be told to you)
In t1 noone in infantry is heavy
I hope that's a joke- What's orks/eldar T1 heavy armor unit that is decent vs falcons?- Oh wait there is none. Earliest heavy armor unit is orc trukk(175 power) but not the counter to the falcon. U should trying to use some lascannons, landspeeders u will see they work well vs falcons .
Infantry, pal. Infantry. Ok, lets test.
Which sm infantry is heavy armored? I mean the type of armor.
Do not count elites.
PS orcs crowd is bigger than sm, and they are far cheaper, and easy and fast restorable by the doctrine without any cost.
That is why orcs do not feel such a pain from falcon as sm do.
Speeders are dying from 1 or 2 shots from wraithguard. Wraithguards also oneshot any sm squad by doctrine( or leave only 1 member). Pretty powerful units. Maybe they will be the theme of another topic.
@Diogen84 said:
Infantry, pal. Infantry. Ok, lets test.
Which sm infantry is heavy armored? I mean the type of armor.
Do not count elites.
And how many heavy walkers Eldar have?
How many main battle tanks Eldar have?
Different armies have different toys. Deal with it.
PS orcs crowd is bigger than sm, and they are far cheaper, and easy and fast restorable by the doctrine without any cost.
That is why orcs do not feel such a pain from falcon as sm do.
Incorrect, I did non elite CC comparison, orks are roughly equal to CC abilities SM have, Eldar have one third of that, one being short and soft CC.
Speeders are dying from 1 or 2 shots from wraithguard. Wraithguards also oneshot any sm squad by doctrine( or leave only 1 member). Pretty powerful units. Maybe they will be the theme of another topic.
Make your mind then, are these WGs using the doctrine or not?
Because if not, engage with ASM with power swords and LC devs, if they are, engage with dreads, speeders or preds.
@Diogen84 said:
Infantry, pal. Infantry. Ok, lets test.
Which sm infantry is heavy armored? I mean the type of armor.
Do not count elites.
And how many heavy walkers Eldar have?
How many main battle tanks Eldar have?
Different armies have different toys. Deal with it.
PS orcs crowd is bigger than sm, and they are far cheaper, and easy and fast restorable by the doctrine without any cost.
That is why orcs do not feel such a pain from falcon as sm do.
Incorrect, I did non elite CC comparison, orks are roughly equal to CC abilities SM have, Eldar have one third of that, one being short and soft CC.
Speeders are dying from 1 or 2 shots from wraithguard. Wraithguards also oneshot any sm squad by doctrine( or leave only 1 member). Pretty powerful units. Maybe they will be the theme of another topic.
Make your mind then, are these WGs using the doctrine or not?
Because if not, engage with ASM with power swords and LC devs, if they are, engage with dreads, speeders or preds.
Think about your own words when you ask for nerf of buff. You did that so much and successfully forgot about that.
You now go with random mash-ups of words, or did you actually tried to say something there?
Or decided to randomly quote me and then reply to something completely different, because not a single word can be related to anything I've said.
Yeah, poor trolling is not your best side)
Actually I do not want to talk with such a person like you as well. If I were interested in your opinion, i would ask you about "planet of monkeys"(c). So again, do not reply me. Looks like such a "special" person like you require to repeat statements and askings twice or even more.
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AngelofDeth
My mistakes = p but still, falcon isn't worth to get for 225 power. They are only worth to get if your opponent spam so many infantry unit. I rather rush tier 3.
AngelofDeth
Would love to see a replay for it. Btw, why don't you get landspeeder with melta since falcon melt against melta guns, but if you are against spectres too, then it's pretty difficult. Well, if he gets mass falcons then maybe you should get more preds and dreads then those falcons will become useless.
AngelofDeth
Nice, but ++heresy redacted++ the replay always crashed. I'm on 15 min of the game then it crashed but I detected some of your mistakes, you don't capture top and bot in 6 min while your opponent already captured it and fueled its power with 100+ power income while you only have 60+ power income like that. You turtled too long and you should harass other points too instead of just mid because Eldar can't live outside of its webway gate. The engagement that take place in 10 min of the game is where the eldar placed its webway gate. Moreover, your opponent didn't have spectre which means, land speeder is so good at that time to counter falcon. Plus, in 13-15 min something of the game is where your opponent has 203+ power income while yours only 70+ power income. I'm gonna watch the replay again and ++heresy redacted++ the crash.
AngelofDeth
I'm sorry, it crashed again. I'm so sad I couldn't make conclusion of the game. I don't know what caused the crash. sigh but I managed to watch until 18 min of the game. In 17-18 min of the game, your opponent has both top and bot point which mean he/she has 245+ power income while yours only 90+ power income.
Diogen84
The same could be told to you)
In t1 noone in infantry is heavy
AngelofDeth
Trust me, Eldar can't live outside webway gate. Your opponent only have 1 webway in the middle during 1-10 min of game. To build another webway will cost you so much because it will hurt your army composition. DA can't deal against ASM, with additional support of tact + drop pod + standard, they're pretty much dead. That's why eldar need a diversity in their army composition with DA + DR + Banshee in early game to have a better engagement but it's hard to keep this diversity since they died too fast and often ended up with more DR spam. No, you only need 1 or 2 landspeeder with melta gun against 2 falcon, that if there's no reapers nearby or spectre. Falcon counters normal armor only so they can't beat 1 speeders without additional support. Kyre will become rubbish in the next patch since his W will become much slower, which his W is already slow at this moment. So, warp spider will become better since his utility is much better and interesting to utilize.
MaxwellsDaemon
@Bigamo
I'm my opinion it's always worth going wide against Eldar even if you draw vision of a bone singer or a lone squad you can get an idea of where the webway radius stretches out to just based on the battle focus appearing or disappearing.
I always try to do this and then try and force fights where there are no gates early on.
As an Eldar player I can vouch for how annoying this is even if my opponent doesn't know the pinpoint location of my webway.
Murador
I hope that's a joke- What's orks/eldar T1 heavy armor unit that is decent vs falcons?- Oh wait there is none. Earliest heavy armor unit is orc trukk(175 power) but not the counter to the falcon. U should trying to use some lascannons, landspeeders u will see they work well vs falcons
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Diogen84
Infantry, pal. Infantry. Ok, lets test.
Which sm infantry is heavy armored? I mean the type of armor.
Do not count elites.
PS orcs crowd is bigger than sm, and they are far cheaper, and easy and fast restorable by the doctrine without any cost.
That is why orcs do not feel such a pain from falcon as sm do.
Speeders are dying from 1 or 2 shots from wraithguard. Wraithguards also oneshot any sm squad by doctrine( or leave only 1 member). Pretty powerful units. Maybe they will be the theme of another topic.
Katitof
And how many heavy walkers Eldar have?
How many main battle tanks Eldar have?
Different armies have different toys. Deal with it.
Incorrect, I did non elite CC comparison, orks are roughly equal to CC abilities SM have, Eldar have one third of that, one being short and soft CC.
Make your mind then, are these WGs using the doctrine or not?
Because if not, engage with ASM with power swords and LC devs, if they are, engage with dreads, speeders or preds.
Diogen84
Think about your own words when you ask for nerf of buff. You did that so much and successfully forgot about that.
Katitof
You now go with random mash-ups of words, or did you actually tried to say something there?
Or decided to randomly quote me and then reply to something completely different, because not a single word can be related to anything I've said.
Diogen84
Yeah, poor trolling is not your best side)
Actually I do not want to talk with such a person like you as well. If I were interested in your opinion, i would ask you about "planet of monkeys"(c). So again, do not reply me. Looks like such a "special" person like you require to repeat statements and askings twice or even more.