no balance changes when all the players are leaving due to the imbalance... if you listened to top players and community, you could patch the game properly within a week... instead you add cosmetics
These skins and map look AMAZING! Cant wait for this. One question: Do the campaign skins take on army colors? That Codex macha looks SO GOOD with the helmet, I want it in my army colors.
Thanks for all the work you guys are putting into this great game
@Koof said:
no balance changes when all the players are leaving due to the imbalance... if you listened to top players and community, you could patch the game properly within a week... instead you add cosmetics
Its not "instead" art/3d design team has nothing to do with the games balance but rather a problem that Relics Quality Assurance + Balance Team is circlejerking eachother in 3v3 games in a closed enviroment against eachother, how some things got through all the way to this state of the game has to simply be put into incompetence on Relics side of things foremostly in identifying what the actual problems are.
Skins is nice, a sideplus. Wont bring in any new players to the game, nor will it help the player retention from leaving.
Hurry up with the balance patch will you?
See you guys next month.
@LastRights said:
These skins and map look AMAZING! Cant wait for this. One question: Do the campaign skins take on army colors? That Codex macha looks SO GOOD with the helmet, I want it in my army colors.
Thanks for all the work you guys are putting into this great game
Yes, your Army Painter colour choices will affect the new skins - including Codex Macha!
@Koof said:
no balance changes when all the players are leaving due to the imbalance... if you listened to top players and community, you could patch the game properly within a week... instead you add cosmetics
Which community changes? All of them? Some of them? Vindicare's changes, just yours, just Cataclaw's or any of multiple combinations?
@Koof said:
no balance changes when all the players are leaving due to the imbalance... if you listened to top players and community, you could patch the game properly within a week... instead you add cosmetics
Which community changes? All of them? Some of them? Vindicare's changes, just yours, just Cataclaw's or any of multiple combinations?
make waagh towers cost 150/100 and make nobz cost 200/250, issue solved... make scouts cost 300 requisition, give bigger CD on cluster mines and stun grenade. make killa cans scrap upgrade go to 5 rockets rather than 6, and decrease abillity damage by 25%... decrease waagh damage by 10% or so...
I find it funny when people act like the game is "broken". The balance right now is WAY better than it has been in the past.
The game has been out for like 3 months, and has now had 2 major balance patches, tons of new cosmetics, 2 new maps, and a new game mode. WTF people, thats more updates than Ive seen in any other game in that short a time period. Calm yourselves, you realize all this stuff takes time?
@Koof said:
is this a joke? skins? how about fixing the balance of your broken game lol
That will come soon quit being so ungrateful. Balance isnt bad either. Its better than the pther DoW games.
It's not bad, it's ++heresy redacted++ horrible, but patience is a virtue I guess, though I gotta admit, I think Relic broke game with hotfix... again.
Can't wait! Helmeted Macha looks fantastic. Really looking forward to the map as well, since I honestly think that the maps are the best looking they've ever been in DoW.
Also, I dunno how difficult it would be to implement--and people have brought this up before--but it'd be cool if there was an army painter option for the Eldar that let us disable their aspect shrine colours. As unfluffy as it is I'd really like to see my aspect warriors wearing my colours a bit more prominently, like how they did in the previous games.
Though Striking Scorpions would obviously be exempt from this since I really can't imagine those units being anything other than green.
@Koof said:
no balance changes when all the players are leaving due to the imbalance... if you listened to top players and community, you could patch the game properly within a week... instead you add cosmetics
Its not "instead" art/3d design team has nothing to do with the games balance but rather a problem that Relics Quality Assurance + Balance Team is circlejerking eachother in 3v3 games in a closed enviroment against eachother, how some things got through all the way to this state of the game has to simply be put into incompetence on Relics side of things foremostly in identifying what the actual problems are.
Skins is nice, a sideplus. Wont bring in any new players to the game, nor will it help the player retention from leaving.
Hurry up with the balance patch will you?
See you guys next month.
@Kat_RE said: The next update will introduce a new map and a TON of new skins!
Hi Kat, THANKS A LOT for this update, really really appreciated! and i can't wait for the new skins. more customization is never wrong...
speaking of customization, what is even more important to me aside from elite skins is more variety for the line units as well. are you guys planning to introduce line unit skins at some point? because i would REALLY LOVE to have skins that let me paint my Dark Reapers, Dire Avengers, Shadow Spectres and Howling Banshees via army color. it's really sad to always see them in purple/white only.
@Ace40k said:
speaking of customization, what is even more important to me aside from elite skins is more variety for the line units as well. are you guys planning to introduce line unit skins at some point? because i would REALLY LOVE to have skins that let me paint my Dark Reapers, Dire Avengers, Shadow Spectres and Howling Banshees via army color. it's really sad to always see them in purple/white only.
Well I understand you, but Aspect Warriors have own sacred colors. So it makes sense for me that they have fixed colors to make them lore-friendly, even if I don't care about lore so much when it comes to WH40K.
We need some skins for completing the hardest campaign mode. and another skin for mastering all elites of a race. That's really showing your banner/colors
@Draconix said:
Well I understand you, but Aspect Warriors have own sacred colors. So it makes sense for me that they have fixed colors to make them lore-friendly, even if I don't care about lore so much when it comes to WH40K.
that's why it should be skins! options for the people who like to abide by the lore and for the ones who love to paint stuff their own way
Also halved and quartered paintscheme for SM, more customizable colors for Eldar (and Ork maybe?), plus few more faction insignias, and name of it to be seen by everyone. That would be all I need in terms of customization.
@Kat_RE said:
Hello @Jelly - there will not be a balance patch before the 21st. @frumpylumps is correct in that it often takes longer than two weeks to see trends in the data begin to form that help us to determine what our balance priorities should be. Those discussions are still happening, and we hope to share with you what we're planning to tackle in a forum post similar to the patch preview post that we did before the last balance patch. We learned a lot of information (and even discovered some bugs) in that particular thread, so it's something we're looking to repeat for future balance changes.
So far as balance is concerned, this makes sense to me. What I'm more curious about, personally, is what bugs / glitches are being stomped out in the upcoming patch. For example, there's the oft discussed, and, per you, identified issue with graphics settings. Is that being resolved in this patch? The Hotfix for Korean players is awesome, and props to you all for that. I'm excited about the new cosmetic content and new map. I'm just curious regarding the "not working as intended" issues being resolved. Can you share any information in that regard?
Edit / Addendum: Similarly, Warp Spiders Achievement Bug / etc. Also I personally don't have an issue with UI scaling, but I know that's been requested a few times.
@Kat_RE said: The next update will introduce a new map and a TON of new skins!
Hi Kat, THANKS A LOT for this update, really really appreciated! and i can't wait for the new skins. more customization is never wrong...
speaking of customization, what is even more important to me aside from elite skins is more variety for the line units as well. are you guys planning to introduce line unit skins at some point? because i would REALLY LOVE to have skins that let me paint my Dark Reapers, Dire Avengers, Shadow Spectres and Howling Banshees via army color. it's really sad to always see them in purple/white only.
thanks again and keep up the amazing work!
Thanks for your comment. There are a couple of things to consider here!
We had a lot of leeway with the skins that we'll be releasing in July, but for certain units (whether that's an Elite or a line unit), there are some pretty obvious lore implications of changing their primary colour(s). We work very closely with Games Workshop on how all characters look, move, and sound - and skins are no different! A lot of conversation and back and forth goes into determining where the sweet spot is - that is, allowing for better customization options, while still respecting the setting. The line units you mention fall on the stricter end of that scale. So we can't take them any further at this point.
@Kat_RE though I agree with @stoner that it would be great if we could get some of the cannon half-and-half and quartered paint schemes for Space Marines!
Finally, after so many years I lived to see a generalized skin for a commander, and not having to fight with the same story hero for each army. Keep the new content coming, can't wait to see some army/chapter skins. I hope you'll also fix that WarpSpiders achievement finally.
I'm guessing the deathwatch-related ones are gonna be a paid pack down the line? I just hope they aren't scrapped, I liked the look of them. I love the look of these skins as well, looking forward to this patch.
Those skins look awesome! Can't wait to play me some Farseer
Also looking forward to the map. Keep it up!
I also actually like the idea of having to unlock skins. Releasing a particularly epic skin for a large some of skulls (I'm thinking over 1000 at least) would give players a way to "show off"
The map looks beautifully designed, as do the new skins. In particular I'm really looking forward to seeing the kustom ork skins!
I hate to follow up with a question regarding different content, as I don't want to sound ungrateful regarding the upcoming update, but given the frequency of patches I worry if there is any focus being placed on the replay system? One of the best ways to get people back into playing, or indeed to start playing, is watching exciting and/or well played games. Some of the most prominent youtube casters such as Indrid use replays to cast games, and currently any updates render all replays preceding the patch unplayable. Frequent patches are fantastic, but if it's the case where they are hindering some of the game's best promotional material they may be becoming something of an own-goal.
with the main complaint about the game being lack of content, skins wont help in any way. instead you could start allowing the community to do content without a million restrictions, like allowing SCAR on custom maps.
That way you can have stuff like last stand made by the community. Starcraft and warcraft are great examples of that, SC2 remains fresh for people thanks to the amount of content being created. CoH1 is still alive thanks to that aswell.
So far the only thing even heard about mod tools was being told that they will be shown some weeks after release, in the preorder FAQ.
Why does Relic not integrate servers? On Asian servers, matching takes too long to play. Sometimes it can even be matched in five hours. The previous works were server consolidation. Why is this server divided? Asian users are suffering from too long matching time. Relic should be server consolidation unconditionally.
And you have to add observer functions so that users will be able to open the tournament and watch the tournament. Then users will be able to prevent some deviation from the game, and new users will be able to enter. Why did StarCraft 1 fall in Korea because the competition was down.
Nice update, I think balance patch shouldn't be top priority. Many may disagree but I think the next balance patch should be when the next DLC race comes out. As the balance will go out of whack anyway once a new race is released.
Keep up the good work maybe with each patch add more cosmetic options adds a nice personalized touch I think everyone apperiates.
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Koof
no balance changes when all the players are leaving due to the imbalance... if you listened to top players and community, you could patch the game properly within a week... instead you add cosmetics
LastRights
These skins and map look AMAZING! Cant wait for this. One question: Do the campaign skins take on army colors? That Codex macha looks SO GOOD with the helmet, I want it in my army colors.
Thanks for all the work you guys are putting into this great game
Cataclawy
Its not "instead" art/3d design team has nothing to do with the games balance but rather a problem that Relics Quality Assurance + Balance Team is circlejerking eachother in 3v3 games in a closed enviroment against eachother, how some things got through all the way to this state of the game has to simply be put into incompetence on Relics side of things foremostly in identifying what the actual problems are.
Skins is nice, a sideplus. Wont bring in any new players to the game, nor will it help the player retention from leaving.
Hurry up with the balance patch will you?
See you guys next month.
Kat_RE
Yes, your Army Painter colour choices will affect the new skins - including Codex Macha!
RedDevilCG
Which community changes? All of them? Some of them? Vindicare's changes, just yours, just Cataclaw's or any of multiple combinations?
Koof
make waagh towers cost 150/100 and make nobz cost 200/250, issue solved... make scouts cost 300 requisition, give bigger CD on cluster mines and stun grenade. make killa cans scrap upgrade go to 5 rockets rather than 6, and decrease abillity damage by 25%... decrease waagh damage by 10% or so...
boom game fixed
CANNED_F3TUS
That will come soon quit being so ungrateful. Balance isnt bad either. Its better than the pther DoW games.
CANNED_F3TUS
The skins look badass. Thank you guys.
LastRights
I find it funny when people act like the game is "broken". The balance right now is WAY better than it has been in the past.
The game has been out for like 3 months, and has now had 2 major balance patches, tons of new cosmetics, 2 new maps, and a new game mode. WTF people, thats more updates than Ive seen in any other game in that short a time period. Calm yourselves, you realize all this stuff takes time?
Stoner
I'd like to kiss dev team just for the custom skins update, I NEEDED this, I mean REALLY NEEDED! Finally, thank you.
Balance and observer with keybinds coming anytime soon would be great though.
It's not bad, it's ++heresy redacted++ horrible, but patience is a virtue I guess, though I gotta admit, I think Relic broke game with hotfix... again.
mandibles
Can't wait! Helmeted Macha looks fantastic. Really looking forward to the map as well, since I honestly think that the maps are the best looking they've ever been in DoW.
Also, I dunno how difficult it would be to implement--and people have brought this up before--but it'd be cool if there was an army painter option for the Eldar that let us disable their aspect shrine colours. As unfluffy as it is I'd really like to see my aspect warriors wearing my colours a bit more prominently, like how they did in the previous games.
Though Striking Scorpions would obviously be exempt from this since I really can't imagine those units being anything other than green.
Don_Zauser
this.
Ace40k
Hi Kat, THANKS A LOT for this update, really really appreciated!
and i can't wait for the new skins. more customization is never wrong...
speaking of customization, what is even more important to me aside from elite skins is more variety for the line units as well. are you guys planning to introduce line unit skins at some point? because i would REALLY LOVE to have skins that let me paint my Dark Reapers, Dire Avengers, Shadow Spectres and Howling Banshees via army color. it's really sad to always see them in purple/white only.
thanks again and keep up the amazing work!
Draconix
Well I understand you, but Aspect Warriors have own sacred colors. So it makes sense for me that they have fixed colors to make them lore-friendly, even if I don't care about lore so much when it comes to WH40K.
Killerbyte
We need some skins for completing the hardest campaign mode. and another skin for mastering all elites of a race. That's really showing your banner/colors
Ace40k
that's why it should be skins! options for the people who like to abide by the lore and for the ones who love to paint stuff their own way
Stoner
Also halved and quartered paintscheme for SM, more customizable colors for Eldar (and Ork maybe?), plus few more faction insignias, and name of it to be seen by everyone. That would be all I need in terms of customization.
TwoBitMatt
So far as balance is concerned, this makes sense to me. What I'm more curious about, personally, is what bugs / glitches are being stomped out in the upcoming patch. For example, there's the oft discussed, and, per you, identified issue with graphics settings. Is that being resolved in this patch? The Hotfix for Korean players is awesome, and props to you all for that. I'm excited about the new cosmetic content and new map. I'm just curious regarding the "not working as intended" issues being resolved. Can you share any information in that regard?
Edit / Addendum: Similarly, Warp Spiders Achievement Bug / etc. Also I personally don't have an issue with UI scaling, but I know that's been requested a few times.
Don't intend to annoy in any way! Just curious
Kat_RE
Thanks for your comment. There are a couple of things to consider here!
We had a lot of leeway with the skins that we'll be releasing in July, but for certain units (whether that's an Elite or a line unit), there are some pretty obvious lore implications of changing their primary colour(s). We work very closely with Games Workshop on how all characters look, move, and sound - and skins are no different! A lot of conversation and back and forth goes into determining where the sweet spot is - that is, allowing for better customization options, while still respecting the setting. The line units you mention fall on the stricter end of that scale. So we can't take them any further at this point.
RedDevilCG
Booooo Games Workshop!
@Kat_RE though I agree with @stoner that it would be great if we could get some of the cannon half-and-half and quartered paint schemes for Space Marines!
Pass on our kudos to the art team though!
EDIT: see Sons of Guillman and Novamarines etc.
imgur.com/hxs8VZQ
Renner
Finally, after so many years I lived to see a generalized skin for a commander, and not having to fight with the same story hero for each army. Keep the new content coming, can't wait to see some army/chapter skins. I hope you'll also fix that WarpSpiders achievement finally.
Ellie
I'm guessing the deathwatch-related ones are gonna be a paid pack down the line? I just hope they aren't scrapped, I liked the look of them. I love the look of these skins as well, looking forward to this patch.
RenegadeXV8
So does Relic no longer care about 1v1? What's the reason behind only making new 2v2/3v3 maps?
JDizzleton
Those skins look awesome! Can't wait to play me some Farseer
Also looking forward to the map. Keep it up!
I also actually like the idea of having to unlock skins. Releasing a particularly epic skin for a large some of skulls (I'm thinking over 1000 at least) would give players a way to "show off"
TheoProfiterol
Mini-gun lascannon devs are a sweet spot?
Dandalus
Great we need more maps.
Jazz_Sandwich
The map looks beautifully designed, as do the new skins. In particular I'm really looking forward to seeing the kustom ork skins!
I hate to follow up with a question regarding different content, as I don't want to sound ungrateful regarding the upcoming update, but given the frequency of patches I worry if there is any focus being placed on the replay system? One of the best ways to get people back into playing, or indeed to start playing, is watching exciting and/or well played games. Some of the most prominent youtube casters such as Indrid use replays to cast games, and currently any updates render all replays preceding the patch unplayable. Frequent patches are fantastic, but if it's the case where they are hindering some of the game's best promotional material they may be becoming something of an own-goal.
nachocheese
with the main complaint about the game being lack of content, skins wont help in any way. instead you could start allowing the community to do content without a million restrictions, like allowing SCAR on custom maps.
That way you can have stuff like last stand made by the community. Starcraft and warcraft are great examples of that, SC2 remains fresh for people thanks to the amount of content being created. CoH1 is still alive thanks to that aswell.
So far the only thing even heard about mod tools was being told that they will be shown some weeks after release, in the preorder FAQ.
Firestone
Why does Relic not integrate servers? On Asian servers, matching takes too long to play. Sometimes it can even be matched in five hours. The previous works were server consolidation. Why is this server divided? Asian users are suffering from too long matching time. Relic should be server consolidation unconditionally.
And you have to add observer functions so that users will be able to open the tournament and watch the tournament. Then users will be able to prevent some deviation from the game, and new users will be able to enter. Why did StarCraft 1 fall in Korea because the competition was down.
Butter30
Nice update, I think balance patch shouldn't be top priority. Many may disagree but I think the next balance patch should be when the next DLC race comes out. As the balance will go out of whack anyway once a new race is released.
Keep up the good work maybe with each patch add more cosmetic options adds a nice personalized touch I think everyone apperiates.