Reaper Focus: If Dark Reapers are within range of a Webway Gate, their ranged attacks will slow enemy units by -1
What a ++heresy redacted++ joke, the worst heavy weapon team get a perk just to be half decent as the other ones
Dude.... Space marines have to use a doctrine just for tacticals to throw one of the worst grenades in the game and people say the doctrine shouldn't get a slight buff. Compared to your reapers now getting suppression, that's incredibly more useful.
Devastators start with -1 suppression and get an upgrade for -2 later on in the game so they're pretty equivalent for suppression in the game at the beginning now.
Almost like your just trying to whine because you want to for no good reason.
Deployable Energy Shields: No longer requires Tier 2
Deployable Energy Shields: Power cost reduced from 50 to 30
This change seems like it will be pretty OP without map changes.
Orks over-nerfed and will always lose to equal skilled players.
The game is still all about the elites, and more gimmicky because of it. Why hasn't Macha been nerfed? Eldar win rates, right?
Almost nothing changed from the feedback. Overall this seems like another horse blinders patch that makes me think whoever is doing the balancing doesn't play the game. The las devs change wasn't even in the original proposed changes, and we actually had to ask for them.
For me the download didn't start up correctly. Steam detected an update, but no download was executed. I guess I have to wait a bit more. What should be the latest game version, anyone?
@HARRYY said:
where is the +25% HP bbbuff to infantry ? couldnt see it.
That was mentioned as a potential future change, not as one intended for this month's patch. It caught a lot of debate in the forums as it's a major change and may address some of the bigger criticisms the game has received. Maybe we'll see something sooner if somebody can get the mod tools working
Hah, I thought it was confirmed. it made some sense to me, but now that flamers are pretty much nerfed, the buff is not needed. anyway, weirdbboy fist need a nerfbat.
Well, at least that isn't this bad, when the patch dedicated to partisans only broke the unlocking sequence, locked one tech permanently and had transformed AI partisans into Terminators squad with "unintened increase of firing rate". That was funny to see them blowing up 222's, wiping out Fallschirmjägers and pretty much everything, but tanks on the field. And that have persited for a week, just like autocanon-like ZiSs and volcanic flamers.
I'm not even mad this time, because they've backed up the game. By the way, the current version seems.. balanced, if you're to look at it again, no?
Horrible balancing imo. They again make the mistake to balance the game based on punishing popularity that roots in personal preference and not actual race preference.
It's not the players fault that Relic uses the least more likeable races in Eldar and Orcs.
80% prefer SMs because they like SMs and they hate them less than Eldar or Orcs.
This logic has wiped out the Nid race in DOW2 and although the SMs were completely broken and the weakest race in 1vs1, they were again the most popular one.
And again they succumb to the Eldar players influential voices, just like it happened with DOW2, were they were unbeatable.
The ranger buff is an overkill, they already were very exploitable in 1vs1 and they buff them?
Dark reapers were extremely potent and my favourite unit in the Eldar army, cost efficiently the best ranged unit and they buff them because they were not popular enough??
Really? By what standards??
Ok, we all know that Relic hates the SMs And they are forced to tolerate them because of their popularity. The massive needs happened because of their popularity, they are the most popular race and it's natural, that having the largest player base their strenghts will be discovered and become popular. Only toning them down would be sufficient, but combining them with the huge buffs their favourite race got, it will make the game extremely frustrating for the vast majority of players, who prefer them as their personal choice and for the possible exploits.
Again relic punishes popularity and avenges a race and not the exploiters.
And of course, they completely destroyed the Orc-Eldar balance. Orc were really hard to master and buffs could make them OP for the ones who did master them, but they were so few, that Relic could afford it, without hurting much the community, but buffing so much the Eldar, to make sure that they will get more players from the frustrating SM experience, the Orcs will now be loosing even more battles vs the Eldar, which was the norm anyway and being the least popular race there is, chances are that the few players that we were occasionally trying to master them, will stop the effort and only focus on Eldar cheese, to maximize our winning chances and joy.
I was expecting that the DOW2 Eldar fanbase will eventually revert the relative DOW3 initial balanced state, to Eldar supremacy DOW2 standards, but no so fast...
And although I was sure of it, it still is sad it to see it happen, the balance team took a careful approach in Dow3 up untill now, this is the first time they went so far and guess to which side?
The usual one...
great changes looking forward to seeing how the changes effect the game, u may want to reset ladder soonish, were u able to fix deffkopter interactions between shield gen and LP, i didnt see any mention of it
@Iatros said:
Horrible balancing imo. They again make the mistake to balance the game based on punishing popularity that roots in personal preference and not actual race preference.
It's not the players fault that Relic uses the least more likeable races in Eldar and Orcs.
What are you trying to say here?
80% prefer SMs because they like SMs and they hate them less than Eldar or Orcs.
This logic has wiped out the Nid race in DOW2 and although the SMs were completely broken and the weakest race in 1vs1, they were again the most popular one.
And what are you saying here?
Popularity does not equal strength, nids were by FAR strongest faction in DoW2, they were simply not appealing.
And again they succumb to the Eldar players influential voices, just like it happened with DOW2, were they were unbeatable.
The ranger buff is an overkill, they already were very exploitable in 1vs1 and they buff them?
Easy there mate, your tinfoil hat is unhealthy given recent levels of heat, take it off sometimes.
Rangers were not buffed, a doctrine no one ever used was. With the doctrine in effect, Rangers will have 5% more DPS then sniper scouts.
Dark reapers were extremely potent and my favourite unit in the Eldar army, cost efficiently the best ranged unit and they buff them because they were not popular enough??
Again, absolutely nothing was change for reapers, only their completely irrelevant doctrines were made usable and appealing for players who focus more on them.
Really? By what standards??
By the standards of metrics of popularity, performance and doctrine usage.
Ok, we all know that Relic hates the SMs And they are forced to tolerate them because of their popularity. The massive needs happened because of their popularity, they are the most popular race and it's natural, that having the largest player base their strenghts will be discovered and become popular. Only toning them down would be sufficient, but combining them with the huge buffs their favourite race got, it will make the game extremely frustrating for the vast majority of players, who prefer them as their personal choice and for the possible exploits.
Your tinfoil hat is way too tight mate. You clearly do not know what balance is, how it works, what is the point of it and how to acheive it, its also extremely clear at this point you play nothing else but SM and are salty AF over something.
Newsflash: SM are balanced against eldar and were too weak against orks, eldar were in same situation, that is why orks got nerfed most this time.
Again relic punishes popularity and avenges a race and not the exploiters.
You're delusional.
And of course, they completely destroyed the Orc-Eldar balance. Orc were really hard to master and buffs could make them OP for the ones who did master them, but they were so few, that Relic could afford it, without hurting much the community, but buffing so much the Eldar, to make sure that they will get more players from the frustrating SM experience, the Orcs will now be loosing even more battles vs the Eldar, which was the norm anyway and being the least popular race there is, chances are that the few players that we were occasionally trying to master them, will stop the effort and only focus on Eldar cheese, to maximize our winning chances and joy.
Orks were hard to master? Did you had so many trouble with building waagh tower and pressing buff icon?
Destroyed what ork-eldar balance? Metrics and leaderboards have shown that orks walked over both, SM and eldar.
Orks are MEANT to be losing more battles vs Eldar, BECAUSE THEY WERE WINNING MUCH MORE THEN INTENDED 50% IN GRAND SCALE.
Its not so hard to comprehend, so let it sink for a moment.
I was expecting that the DOW2 Eldar fanbase will eventually revert the relative DOW3 initial balanced state, to Eldar supremacy DOW2 standards, but no so fast...
And although I was sure of it, it still is sad it to see it happen, the balance team took a careful approach in Dow3 up untill now, this is the first time they went so far and guess to which side?
The usual one...
Seriously, if I knew you'd have your head stuck so deep up your rural area I would never start replying to it.
You have some serious delusions and the fact that you don't consider this patch great only shows that you do NOT care for balance at all, but for supremacy of faction you play.
If you are so delusional that you lost capability to see the reason, then maybe look at first balance patch we had in DoW3, which removed eldar from competitive scene all together for months.
Why did they even have the long thread for suggestions if they only changed 1 small thing? Also Vindi you're playing orks now right to show they're still ok?
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Lockerd
Soon I shall forge a new horde mode SLAUGHTER THE SPAWN OF THE SLAUGHTER FREAKS!!!
kodarus
Super excited Thanks relic!
Fww
What a ++heresy redacted++ joke, the worst heavy weapon team get a perk just to be half decent as the other ones
12ozMouse
is it new content or bugfixes?
HARRYY
is it a feature that all elites are LVL 1 again? :> happy lunch hahah
I just returned from the convinience shop and brought some bbeers to celebrate lol
now this ! :>
Selshas
where is mod tool?
deadman
Not on the Steam tools list yet.
Agemmon
• Mod tools seem to be non-existent at the moment
• Progress for Elites has been wiped (Had level 10 for all elites except for the Striking Scorpions)
• Community and Leaderbord-related tabs or links in-game appear do not appear (404 error)
Agemmon
• Periodically getting bundles of rewards
Wikkyd
Dude.... Space marines have to use a doctrine just for tacticals to throw one of the worst grenades in the game and people say the doctrine shouldn't get a slight buff. Compared to your reapers now getting suppression, that's incredibly more useful.
Devastators start with -1 suppression and get an upgrade for -2 later on in the game so they're pretty equivalent for suppression in the game at the beginning now.
Almost like your just trying to whine because you want to for no good reason.
n0ave_
Looking forward to play in this patch!
HARRYY
doctrines are gone and need to bbbbe unlocked, also ELITES have to be leveled to get their level 8 doctrines. :>
Bersercker
Yeah lol. Its downloading another 600 mb now though.
Katitof
You can't see any progress, because servers are offline and they store your data.
frumpylumps
Deployable Energy Shields: No longer requires Tier 2
Deployable Energy Shields: Power cost reduced from 50 to 30
This change seems like it will be pretty OP without map changes.
Orks over-nerfed and will always lose to equal skilled players.
The game is still all about the elites, and more gimmicky because of it. Why hasn't Macha been nerfed? Eldar win rates, right?
Almost nothing changed from the feedback. Overall this seems like another horse blinders patch that makes me think whoever is doing the balancing doesn't play the game. The las devs change wasn't even in the original proposed changes, and we actually had to ask for them.
HARRYY
where is the +25% HP bbbuff to infantry ? couldnt see it.
the heavy bolter upgrade is too expensive with 60 power Id say.
SupremeSkill
For me the download didn't start up correctly. Steam detected an update, but no download was executed. I guess I have to wait a bit more. What should be the latest game version, anyone?
HARRYY
they roll back the patch.
and fix the issues, so it takes some hours.
Draconix
Yep, there isn't. However, I think it is probably still tested, before they will add it.
HARRYY
they roll back the patch.
and fix the issues, so it takes some hours.
Jazz_Sandwich
That was mentioned as a potential future change, not as one intended for this month's patch. It caught a lot of debate in the forums as it's a major change and may address some of the bigger criticisms the game has received. Maybe we'll see something sooner if somebody can get the mod tools working
HARRYY
Hah, I thought it was confirmed. it made some sense to me, but now that flamers are pretty much nerfed, the buff is not needed. anyway, weirdbboy fist need a nerfbat.
jambai
(+25% HP buff when infantry is already being spammed lul?)
SM race mechanics still being untouched bothers me but otherwise good patch for orks and especially eldar.
Ololo111
Well, at least that isn't this bad, when the patch dedicated to partisans only broke the unlocking sequence, locked one tech permanently and had transformed AI partisans into Terminators squad with "unintened increase of firing rate". That was funny to see them blowing up 222's, wiping out Fallschirmjägers and pretty much everything, but tanks on the field. And that have persited for a week, just like autocanon-like ZiSs and volcanic flamers.
I'm not even mad this time, because they've backed up the game. By the way, the current version seems.. balanced, if you're to look at it again, no?
Iatros
Horrible balancing imo. They again make the mistake to balance the game based on punishing popularity that roots in personal preference and not actual race preference.
It's not the players fault that Relic uses the least more likeable races in Eldar and Orcs.
80% prefer SMs because they like SMs and they hate them less than Eldar or Orcs.
This logic has wiped out the Nid race in DOW2 and although the SMs were completely broken and the weakest race in 1vs1, they were again the most popular one.
And again they succumb to the Eldar players influential voices, just like it happened with DOW2, were they were unbeatable.
The ranger buff is an overkill, they already were very exploitable in 1vs1 and they buff them?
Dark reapers were extremely potent and my favourite unit in the Eldar army, cost efficiently the best ranged unit and they buff them because they were not popular enough??
Really? By what standards??
Ok, we all know that Relic hates the SMs And they are forced to tolerate them because of their popularity. The massive needs happened because of their popularity, they are the most popular race and it's natural, that having the largest player base their strenghts will be discovered and become popular. Only toning them down would be sufficient, but combining them with the huge buffs their favourite race got, it will make the game extremely frustrating for the vast majority of players, who prefer them as their personal choice and for the possible exploits.
Again relic punishes popularity and avenges a race and not the exploiters.
And of course, they completely destroyed the Orc-Eldar balance. Orc were really hard to master and buffs could make them OP for the ones who did master them, but they were so few, that Relic could afford it, without hurting much the community, but buffing so much the Eldar, to make sure that they will get more players from the frustrating SM experience, the Orcs will now be loosing even more battles vs the Eldar, which was the norm anyway and being the least popular race there is, chances are that the few players that we were occasionally trying to master them, will stop the effort and only focus on Eldar cheese, to maximize our winning chances and joy.
I was expecting that the DOW2 Eldar fanbase will eventually revert the relative DOW3 initial balanced state, to Eldar supremacy DOW2 standards, but no so fast...
And although I was sure of it, it still is sad it to see it happen, the balance team took a careful approach in Dow3 up untill now, this is the first time they went so far and guess to which side?
The usual one...
kodarus
No one has even played the patch yet you managed to make a wall of text indicating how bad it was.
fullmetalSLOTH
great changes looking forward to seeing how the changes effect the game, u may want to reset ladder soonish, were u able to fix deffkopter interactions between shield gen and LP, i didnt see any mention of it
Wikkyd
He made a wall of text based on the patch notes, his opinions are well founded, I see no reason why he can't voice his opinion.
Katitof
What are you trying to say here?
And what are you saying here?
Popularity does not equal strength, nids were by FAR strongest faction in DoW2, they were simply not appealing.
Easy there mate, your tinfoil hat is unhealthy given recent levels of heat, take it off sometimes.
Rangers were not buffed, a doctrine no one ever used was. With the doctrine in effect, Rangers will have 5% more DPS then sniper scouts.
Again, absolutely nothing was change for reapers, only their completely irrelevant doctrines were made usable and appealing for players who focus more on them.
By the standards of metrics of popularity, performance and doctrine usage.
Your tinfoil hat is way too tight mate. You clearly do not know what balance is, how it works, what is the point of it and how to acheive it, its also extremely clear at this point you play nothing else but SM and are salty AF over something.
Newsflash: SM are balanced against eldar and were too weak against orks, eldar were in same situation, that is why orks got nerfed most this time.
You're delusional.
Orks were hard to master? Did you had so many trouble with building waagh tower and pressing buff icon?
Destroyed what ork-eldar balance? Metrics and leaderboards have shown that orks walked over both, SM and eldar.
Orks are MEANT to be losing more battles vs Eldar, BECAUSE THEY WERE WINNING MUCH MORE THEN INTENDED 50% IN GRAND SCALE.
Its not so hard to comprehend, so let it sink for a moment.
Seriously, if I knew you'd have your head stuck so deep up your rural area I would never start replying to it.
You have some serious delusions and the fact that you don't consider this patch great only shows that you do NOT care for balance at all, but for supremacy of faction you play.
If you are so delusional that you lost capability to see the reason, then maybe look at first balance patch we had in DoW3, which removed eldar from competitive scene all together for months.
PaperBaG
Why did they even have the long thread for suggestions if they only changed 1 small thing? Also Vindi you're playing orks now right to show they're still ok?