@Katitof said:
how is it going to fix them by making them much more susceptible to AV AoE?
Predators destructors, big trakks, bombs squigs all hardcounter them hard due to splash damage.
which also is only so effective, cause they drop model after 66% health and loose quiet a bit of dps
And you think adding more models, therefore multiplying AoE damage they are getting will fix it?
In an way. Of course their health would have to be raised, coz more models. But more models means more dps, therefore they can stustain fight longer. An real solution would possibly model based health be instead of squad health.
Also give lightning claw and heavy flame upgrades plz!
Well at that rate, might as well up their dps for the 3 models instead of adding models, Right now they do 40 ranged NORMAL dps and 98 melee ARMOUR PIERCING dps. Heavy bolters do over twice as much damage as they do right now.
@Katitof said:
how is it going to fix them by making them much more susceptible to AV AoE?
Predators destructors, big trakks, bombs squigs all hardcounter them hard due to splash damage.
which also is only so effective, cause they drop model after 66% health and loose quiet a bit of dps
And you think adding more models, therefore multiplying AoE damage they are getting will fix it?
In an way. Of course their health would have to be raised, coz more models. But more models means more dps, therefore they can stustain fight longer. An real solution would possibly model based health be instead of squad health.
Also give lightning claw and heavy flame upgrades plz!
Well at that rate, might as well up their dps for the 3 models instead of adding models, Right now they do 40 ranged NORMAL dps and 98 melee ARMOUR PIERCING dps. Heavy bolters do over twice as much damage as they do right now.
You do realize they deal AoE damage, right? Vs 5 model squad, they do 200 dps.
@Katitof said:
how is it going to fix them by making them much more susceptible to AV AoE?
Predators destructors, big trakks, bombs squigs all hardcounter them hard due to splash damage.
which also is only so effective, cause they drop model after 66% health and loose quiet a bit of dps
And you think adding more models, therefore multiplying AoE damage they are getting will fix it?
In an way. Of course their health would have to be raised, coz more models. But more models means more dps, therefore they can stustain fight longer. An real solution would possibly model based health be instead of squad health.
Also give lightning claw and heavy flame upgrades plz!
Well at that rate, might as well up their dps for the 3 models instead of adding models, Right now they do 40 ranged NORMAL dps and 98 melee ARMOUR PIERCING dps. Heavy bolters do over twice as much damage as they do right now.
You do realize they deal AoE damage, right? Vs 5 model squad, they do 200 dps.
with the bolters, wut ????
Yes....
Exactly....
With bolters....
CLEARLY its tacticals who have 98 melee AV DPS.
@Katitof said:
how is it going to fix them by making them much more susceptible to AV AoE?
Predators destructors, big trakks, bombs squigs all hardcounter them hard due to splash damage.
which also is only so effective, cause they drop model after 66% health and loose quiet a bit of dps
And you think adding more models, therefore multiplying AoE damage they are getting will fix it?
In an way. Of course their health would have to be raised, coz more models. But more models means more dps, therefore they can stustain fight longer. An real solution would possibly model based health be instead of squad health.
Also give lightning claw and heavy flame upgrades plz!
Well at that rate, might as well up their dps for the 3 models instead of adding models, Right now they do 40 ranged NORMAL dps and 98 melee ARMOUR PIERCING dps. Heavy bolters do over twice as much damage as they do right now.
You do realize they deal AoE damage, right? Vs 5 model squad, they do 200 dps.
I know they do aoe damage, so do heavy bolters.
The unit card for the terminators says they do 40 ranged dps, where are you getting your information?
Are you assuming the dps shown is per model? Because that is incorrect, the dps is for the whole squad, it's always been like that. The whole squad itself does 40 ranged dps.
Just a note, HBDs and Terminators have different AOEs. HBDs do 0.33 of their DPS to models in a radius 5 AOE while Terminators do full damage across a line of width 5 between them and the target and radius 3 at the target. This means that Terminators will do significantly more damage than HBDs against squads.
Also interesting: Terminators have a better slow (-2.5 speed compared to HBDs' -1 and -2 after being upgraded).
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Katitof
how is it going to fix them by making them much more susceptible to AV AoE?
Predators destructors, big trakks, bombs squigs all hardcounter them hard due to splash damage.
Wikkyd
Reducing their damage is an absolute no no, they can be easily killed by having 3 or more dedicated anti vehicle weapons on them.
Dandalus
ok no damage reduction then
Dandalus
I must also say this wasn't originally my idea, i simply made a thread about it.
Katitof
And you think adding more models, therefore multiplying AoE damage they are getting will fix it?
jambai
Ranged termie is fine. Melee termie is amongst the worst elite in the game IMO (now that MadDredd and WraithLord are buffed).
Wikkyd
Well at that rate, might as well up their dps for the 3 models instead of adding models, Right now they do 40 ranged NORMAL dps and 98 melee ARMOUR PIERCING dps. Heavy bolters do over twice as much damage as they do right now.
Katitof
You do realize they deal AoE damage, right? Vs 5 model squad, they do 200 dps.
Katitof
Yes....
Exactly....
With bolters....
CLEARLY its tacticals who have 98 melee AV DPS.
Wikkyd
I know they do aoe damage, so do heavy bolters.
The unit card for the terminators says they do 40 ranged dps, where are you getting your information?
Are you assuming the dps shown is per model? Because that is incorrect, the dps is for the whole squad, it's always been like that. The whole squad itself does 40 ranged dps.
Svanh
Just a note, HBDs and Terminators have different AOEs. HBDs do 0.33 of their DPS to models in a radius 5 AOE while Terminators do full damage across a line of width 5 between them and the target and radius 3 at the target. This means that Terminators will do significantly more damage than HBDs against squads.
Also interesting: Terminators have a better slow (-2.5 speed compared to HBDs' -1 and -2 after being upgraded).