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Emergecy to nerf imba Eldars snipers fast !!!
AstartesUltra
OK, 3 defeat in a row and always same shiit, which already exist since dow 1 : eldar snipers who pwn a whole army and and a whole team !
Eldars players now mass them with about 4 or 5 squads + hidden warp door in cover area, and it really pwns everything ! Range and damages are crazy and it kills all.
With sm, u have no chance to catch them, whatever the unit we are using : tsm, asm, etc. all units are too slow and rangers are always escaping.
This strategy is particulary devasting in T1 and of course decide eldar victory because u spend all req in renforcing units who are useless vs their imbaness.
SM snipers are too bad and are unable to counter them efficiently. So, if u want to change those one sided games, there is 2 solutions:
- either you decrease significantly rangers damages, but i dont think this is the best solution because idiot players will mass them more,
- either you limit rangers units eldar player can get, maybe 2 squads maximum because with 3 imbalanc starts.
Thanks a lot for all attention you pay for this amazing game ! From far the best of DOW serie in my opinion 
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AstartesUltra
sorry I precise :
Katitof
So, where are your replays for us to see and tell if really something is OP or you just can't play?
jonoliveira12
If you limit line units, you defeat the purpose of the Elite system. The reason Eldar all mass Rangers now, is because it is the only answer to the previously dominant Tact spam, and other Eldar units are not very good.
Martin
just post replay instead of ranting please.
AstartesUltra
I will post ofc when i will get one, but you know when u get hardly pwned coz balancing pb ur mad and ur not in the mood to record the replay xD
So I have to think about it to show you but its not automatical reflex !
Imba is absolutly obvious in T1 but it is more tolerable in second and third phasis of the game, when advanced units come.
Lude
I think that the main problem with Rangers is that there is not a real punishment for the Ranger spammer (and I don't think they are OP unless they are spammed, personally) for spending all of their power for the first 10 minutes of the game on units. They will get 8/9 point elites for free, and still have Wraithguard by 20 minutes. Their opponent will still not have any T2 counters until at least 12 minutes, possibly as late as 15 if they are able to deny some resources.
There will always be players that spam only rangers, but even though they were buffed fairly significantly in the last patch, counters to them were also effectively nerfed because they have more HP now also. I think the best way would be to decrease the HP of snipers by 10-15%.
Also I think the maintenance system fails to prevent early game spams, but this applies to all units.
AstartesUltra
I have recorded a replay from tonight where an eldar abuser used 8 rangers and owned a whole team.
2 shoots series to kill Angelos who is supposed to be in terminator dreadnought armor (!) : This will be enough to prove how rangers are imba.
What is the process to post replay ?
Katitof
You can upload it on gamereplays.org and post link here.
HohesHaus
Fluff has no room in a balanace discussion.
If the enemy is spamming rangers, only T1 is critical. You can tech as SM way way way faster and push out one or two landspeeder. Build 5 workers and hunt him. He won't even have shadow spectres.
JakeMuss
OMG yep, ranger spam is a big problem. Seeing more and more ppl using this now as it catches on.
Spam about 8 or more of them and they bleed you to death. There is nothing you can do about it.
Instant squad wipe, then run away, take down a building/tower, run away, come back, squad wipe, run away....
Yawn, can't do a thing about it.
Damage is all done in T1, then you are too broken and too far behind. Seriously broken!!!
Emergency patch required fast before this becomes an epidemic.
someguy
It sucks in 3v3s. Maybe reduce their speed a bit? They already have stealth.
Ekko_Tek
It's mainly a skill check in 3v3 games, that's all. It's annoying to fight against but it's totally beatable - just have to be patient, stall and tech for tier2. Make sure you have workers nearby, use cover, pick fights wisely, etc.
For example, https://www.gamereplays.org/dawnofwar3/replays.php?game=95&show=details&id=326061
And this was vs some serious ranger spam - one player had 14 squads with both doctrines. Even with some mistakes (rip falcon) it was possible to turn around.
someguy
@Ekko_Tek I watched about half and am not convinced. Your opponent was pretty passive, left their elites to die and their blob to eat the falcon fire, I stopped watching during that engagement. They didn't even use that stealth swirly ability.
Katitof
Well, people of exact same skill level are the ones who complain about that spam.
Its low tier player problem and it is indeed being fixed by improving yourself, not being passive on receiving end and adjusting your gameplay to the situation.
I have yet to see a single 3v3 player who actually adapts to what opponents do instead of doing the same thing over again, regardless if it works or not.
Ggjustice
Simply put...
Ork:Trucks->Put Nobs(or boyz) inside-toss->Taunt(truck taunt doct?)->NUKE(Fist of Gork?)
SM:Banner + drop pod +assult stun+ more drop pods? + gab?..... List goes on
Eldar:Maka=Spear+explosion? into pew pew Stealth banshees? Kayle? xD
You just need to up your game
Dandalus
Which is exactly the case, he plays bad and complains due to lack of brains. What he describes made me burst into laughs. If he had any brains he would be trying to play better not complain cause he loses as then anyone who loses has to blame balance. We should add joke category of threads so we can move such posts there have them all together when we need to amuse ourselves.
MrBenis
I know it's a little out of date but I thought darkreapers with slowing doctrine and a builder scout seemed pretty good.
jonoliveira12
That is what I use.