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Warhammer 30k
3 years ago
Nassir_Amit
It s a bit early, I know, but what about an expansion with 30k armies (mainly imperial), but nevertheless?
It would be so nice to have the pre-heresy traitor legions+ Primarchs/special characters, and with the current elite system they would be easy to implement.
It would offer a ton of skins and new abilities, not only for sm, bu talso chaos/orks/eldar.
Imagine leading the thousand sons with Magnus+Ahriman+Amon into battle.
Also, the legion specific traits could be chained to the elite characters/primarchs,
Heck, even the Emperor+Conastantion Valdor+Custodian squad/Malcador would be possible.
What do you think?
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Katitof
40k and 30k are two separate IPs.
They will never be mixed in any other way then in 40k being a relic item from 30k.
GW wouldn't allow anything else.
Johnbonne
Wouldn't they? Talisman had no problem with this and they're two completely separate entities, far more so than the difference between Warhammer 40k and the Horus Heresy event. Then again, I suppose Talisman characters weren't interacting with Garviel Loken and Abaddon.
I for one would like to see Relic tackle the Double H, if not in Dawn of War then a spin-off with similar mechanics and features. But as a skinpack for existing heroes, or putting them in the same events as this? I'm not sure. Then again for PvP I could suspend my disbelief.
We've not had a game that wasn't on mobile that has tackled the subject, and even then Battle of Tallarn and Drop Site Massacre don't offer nearly as much story as Relic could in their own take. ^^
Katitof
Talisman doesn't mix 30k and 40k.
You have 2 separate editions, online being 30k and box being 40k.
Again, that will never happen, because its completely different setting, completely different wargear, hell in 30k humanity didn't even knew about Eldar, necrons, tau, tyrannids, chaos.
While 30k is lore rich setting, its completely BLAND for gameplay, you have space marines and......... that's pretty much it, because these SM in 30k aren't fighting any of the 40k big guys, but low tech worlds.
And I haven't even started on license, which is also a completely separate thing.
40k on top of that is more of a niche IP with 30k being even more niche then that, there isn't money in it and that's why no one even attempted to do anything 30k related outside of board game.
WarbossGogangash
What kind of new abilities and skins could eldar and ork have in 30k?
tritol
this is one of the things I dont agree with DoW, 30K is absurdly amazing and it is source of total fan magnets, imagine how many people would want to play it if you could play with primarchs, titans and fighting random xeno scum instead of classic triangle and chaos on top of it ... for example I think that for Total War game the 30K universe would be much more interesting
Katitof
Ohhhh boy, that just proves how new you are to the IP.
Sorry, not happening, not with GW licensing, not with how everything is stale for last 30 years.
It took 30 YEARS to introduce new Fire Prism model and new aspect warrior type for eldar and you think they would do in en masse and at will, which would be lore breaking as well as 30k is all about humans and occasional orks?
StarSauron
There is only 1 Problem.
1- No Necron=they sleep
2- No Tau= they still animals
3- No Tyrranids= they still on the way
Katitof
No Eldar - they are yet unknown.
No Dark Eldar - same reason.
No Chaos - its unknown.
30k is a foundation of 40k, it doesn't work as separate entity.
StarSauron
you realize by
1- No Necron=they sleep
2- No Tau= they still animals
3- No Tyrranids= they still on the way
4- No Eldar - they are yet unknown.
5- No Dark Eldar - same reason.
6- No Chaos - its unknown.
you cant add nothing to the game ?
Problem is with 30K:
The Big factions are either nor there or the same.
There is not enough content to make something out of it.
Imperial Guard and Space Marines are will, just same Tech.
Orcs didn't change either. Maybe other "Skin" thats all.
Silk
Yeah, the biggest problem with a 30k RTS is that it would be more like Age of Empires II: all factions are the same except a few specific units and tech. Not very interesting way to make a 40k in my opinion.
tritol
you could make horus heresy or something shortly preheresy, for campaign you could include tons of xeno races every primarch fought on his own,only creating 1 mission for every primarch will make it 18 missions long campaign and for multiplayer you could still make good old ork eldar space marine trio, eldar exist in 30k so it wont hurt adding them for multiplayer .... but the bestest thing would be creating army system similar to command and conquers zero hour, anyone played that ? you got standard 3 races/factions and each faction had 3 generals focused on certain aspect, there was tank general, airplane general etc, that made 12 factions that were sort of balanced, offered the original trio and added lot of content with basically doing zero work ... they had 80% of units and buildings same and the rest were added special stuff and changed basic units, tank general had more research for tanks, more tanks and few super tanks, airplane general had the same but for air stuff .... now mix it with warhammer world eaters lot of melee stuff, those badass astartes eating droppods, thousands sons with psyker stuff, psyker dreadnoughts, psyker divided in those classes they had, iron warriors with lot of siege stuff and artilery, fists with lots of bunkers and digging stuff offering good old DoW cover etc etc etc ... just a thought
Silk
My point was that it would be like Zero Hour, but with everyone playing a version of China. No US, No GLA (or rather, maybe one or two subfaction each, while there are 18 for Marines).
30k is mostly about the Astartes, and nothing you can bring will change that.
StarSauron
Simple Answer would be, if it was possible to make money out of this, they would have made money out of this.
Horus Heresy Campaign DLC ? Choose out of 12 Legions who are either loyal or traitors. So = 2 factions and are extremely similar.
Well you would just make more money by let Marines fight any alien Faction, than Imperial Civil War.
So what about Xenos in 30k ? If not orcs/eldar.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Xenos_in_30k
Well a game based on Kill of billions of different Aliens, who can't really protect themself ?
Warhammer 30k Civil War would simply lack a lot of possibilities 40K has to offer.
OK lets pretend it works with mega good campaign.
Factions
-Rebels "Chaos"
-Loaylist "Empire"
-Genestealer Cults
-Orcs
-Chaos Daemons
-Squats "dwarf-like race"
Maybe Warhammer 50K would be better instead ?
NeroVipusQc
for those who say that eldar and dark eldar aren't in the 30k universe I must correct you because they do exist. they do talk about them and even have stories about them during the hours heresy. that aside, a horus heresy like dow series or total war would be so ++heresy redacted++ cool !
Raindrop
Would be most interested in Mechanicum and Dark mechanicum.
Orblivion
This is what mods are for, honestly. 30k would be good content for a decent faction/rebalance mod.
xefitnop
The beast series would be an interesting time period. You have a sort of transitional period where Loyalists and Traitors are still constantly clashing, and you have a few more alien races crossing paths with humans.
As far as Eldar being uknown, or the major races mentioned, I'm pretty sure I read some of the novels referencing Eldar watching everything unfold. Grammaticus' handlers are pretty clearly Eldar to me. Add to that, there are a lot of other races/factions engaged with the Imperium pre-heresy. The Technocracy would be interesting, the Orks are more mobbier, and they could even implement Murder's arachnids.
I think it's possible with an open mind, but open minds aren't really in large supply in the WH community. Its an IP literally based upon written text and rulebooks. Diverging from that is problematic, unless you're attempting to create an entirely new audience.
What you could do is focus on the Heresy itself, and implement a more Traitor/Loyalist focus. There are already a lot of unique units in the individual legions, their primarchs are obviously all very different, and their heroes are all unique as well. HH is literally a great setting to implement, unless you're one of the people whining about not having "your race" at launch. Again, easy for me to say since I'm a SM guy. But I think I can empathize with people wanting to see their own faction in DOW rather than resources placed in creating a HH title.
redstar0001
Angelos already size can compete with primarchs ... It's sad.