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Issues with TSM, spamming one unit and other
rafal107
Alright at the beginning of the beta I realised that I cannot spam TSM and I was so happy about it that Relic made the game challenging and tactical than low tier unit spamming. Glad I didn't post that heresy. I saw plenty of posts about wraithguards and rangers, but I was convinced this isn't a thing because It didn't happen to me. Next game I was pushied with a wraithlords spam totaly coutering my tearing through my armored units. I couldn't attack or backdoor because this guy would just recall all his forces. And when im taking the resource points he just attacks my base with 9 cost elite and summons his wraithlords. I was like " I guess I could've played it better". Next game I got some marines and thought of an infantry based army because of requisition income. It was also because of my new wraithlordsspamphobia. I was then poked with two squads of rangers, I fought them off easily and they had to retreat. Next time I saw them they came in a 10stack. They pushed me out of the middle desintegrating my infrantry based army while I just nearly got pass their shields. Not even gonna mention they kept dissapearing in the middle of fight giving me hope im actualy making any progress. The game was lost at this point. That's messed up that Eldar can spam units.
PS: 9cost Eldar elite can snare disable my entire army with a single spell including Solaria.
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rafal107
Space marines seem underpowered early game, getting swarmed by melee Orks overthrown by Eldar (When enemy gets banshees early [ and he will] you're done for good and so is your early game phase). It's really sad that Assault Space Marines are the only melee unit for SM, and that it costs so much. It puts SM players in huge disadvantage and they have to rush devastator squad so they can barely slow rushing enemies. Space Marines are pretty flexible in the lategame with plasma cannons and flamethrowers but the truth is unless you're running a sick marine only doctrine build then it's just better to go for devastators and jetpacks. You also can't spam space marines because they get gibbed really easy. One Weirdo and you're dead, your droppod&banner knockback usage is crucial and necessary to survive anything vs other factions.
KotCR
If you get the health upgrade for your troops, they won't be insta-gibbed by the casters.
That said, TSM could do with being a bit cheaper before upgrades. They don't give you much for what they cost.
For now just spam ASM, Scout Snipers, and Whirlwinds. Dreadnoughts if you've got the doctrine that makes them reflect enemy fire.
That'll give you a formidable army against most things.
rafal107
Thanks for the advice, I hope relic read that too. And I really expect Tacs to get a discount.
KotCR
If the history of the DoW games is anything to go by, they probably will at some point. Relic have a track record of overpricing Tactical Marines on initial release of any Dawn of War game. They always get made cheaper after a few patches; Usually with a coinciding nerf to ASM, who are the opposite and have a tendency to over perform, despite their high cost.