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Space Marines no nuker pre 6 cost elite??
3 years ago
rafal107
This is getting out of hand, while all I have is Librarian that has a weak lightning strike aoe spell dealing nonlethal damage (it takes around 4 of these to kill a devastator squad), while macha and weirdboy can gib and go ham on my squads. It's pretty sad looking as to me SM have no offence except for ASM (it's a 100% possiblilty of SM getting those, so they're countered in most of games). Other faction are superior here because all we have is frontflipping Gabe, come on.
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ValKor01
Have you tried using the Wall ability to trap enemies and then pressing the lightning ability while the wall is up?
Also, tactical marines with a flamer wreck infantry.
Katitof
Neither factions nor elites are symmetrical in any way, so what makes you believe you should have something like other factions do?
SM is a faction that is most durable, that goes for their heroes as well, Macha and weirdboy have about half of Librarians HP, obviously he won't have their damage potential.
rafal107
Yeah, it also deals then all the damage spreads and deals only 1/5 hp of devastators. Checked on custom game
Rasui
This
Expecting the factions to have similar characters is heresy. Look how different the 2 point elites are for example.
rafal107
The thing is as they're half tanks they also are only half dps. Their damage is low and you can not disagree (plz lets skip the part when you ask me to spend 150req 50 energy, and then 65req and 50 energy + 400 req to equip my marine with a flamethrower). The other thing is while other factions are agile I have slow them down really in early game (deathwatch grenade lasts for 3 seconds, just long enough to delete ork horde and peel of eldar shields along with their skin am i right?). Also try getting flamethrower marine in early game when racing to the middle res point with eldar or ork in the same time. Hilarious, should make a serie on youtube.
rafal107
Im not expecing faction to be similar god ++heresy redacted++ it. All I want is just a low cost nuker that doesn't have to be a tank or crowd control in the same time!
rafal107
But I guess no, they're space marines...
ValKor01
Hmm every time I have used it I found it effective.
But I havent played a lot of SMvSM.
Krupp
Jonah is pretty ++heresy redacted++ effective for me, always kills loads of Boyz or Pointy 'Eads with his Q and that is without trapping them in the wall.
I don't think every faction needs these nukers (Eldar and Orks both have 2, kinda (Macha+Jain, Kommando+Weirdboy)), SM do more with durability and control. No other faction has the amount of control SM brings to a fight, with Scout nades, 2 jumps per ASM squad and more stuff possible via Doctrines and Elites: Gabe, Jonah, Tac nades, better Scout nades etc.
rafal107
Jesus Christ can you start listening to me? Every elite is tanky in early game, and we are talking about heroes not infrantry, so stop with scouts and asm, as I'm not talking about banshees and such. What I want is a low cost nuker, perhaps using a melta-gun or any other weapon with Da Kommando mechanics (his weapon has two shots) or at least have him a decent dps ability. Where do you think crowd control comes usefull when your infantry is insta gibbed because "dunno marines are tanky i guess and you've got crowd control, so what's the matter lol?".
Marktheshark
Rafal107,
Looking at your post history and the fact you've made eight threads about how you think everything is imbalanced is suggestive that you spend more time on this forum than in the game. It also severely lowers your credibility that you know anything at all, especially since the game has only been out for three days.
You also consistently insult and argue with everyone who doesn't immediately agree with you. No wonder people disagree with your posts so often, as they have no basis other than the fact that you're losing games.
Also you posted the same "nerf these and buff this" thread twice, indicating some odd need to draw attention to your ideas.
Stop posting on this forum and maybe learn anything at all about the game.
rafal107
Im posting these issues here to make this game better, balanced and stable for both of us. I spent plenty of time in the game as it's holiday here. Im posting only suggestions and issues with overused tactics like ranger spam. I also didn't post "Buffs, Nerfs and Reworks needed." not because of attention, but because I decided to move this thread myself from General Discussions to Feedback & Suggestions. I noticed that relic doesn't really interact with it's forum, so I didn't bother asking mods to move my post. Relic in forum is non-existent and all mods do is silent ban and silent delete posts. There you go.
rafal107
I sometimes lose control over myself when for example Eldar player playing ranger only spamming them comes to my post and tells me that's not an issue despite half of forum talking about it.
Krupp
I don't think having a low cost nuker as Marines is gonna make the game more balanced, which is what you claim your aim is. I also don't see a reason for them to have such a nuker when they get different stuff.
A Marines still have Jonah, who can nuke sqauds easily, so git gud.