Tips from the team...

Proenca · May 2017

https://www.dawnofwar.com/article/tips-from-the-team-vol-1

Are they even taking us seriously with this?

Krakza · May 2017

I'm not seeing the issue

PrimaGoosa · May 2017

@Proenca said:
https://www.dawnofwar.com/article/tips-from-the-team-vol-1

Are they even taking us seriously with this?

Seems like a list of good advice to me.

What grand offense has Relic committed against the community this time?

nemm75 · May 2017

It's exhausting having people try to complain about everything. Literally everything.

Sparkskite · May 2017

The advice is just painfully generic and agnostic of the current metagame.

Also the article repeatedly asserts the superiority of their devtesters, calling them "maestros." It's obnoxious because the game's balance in 1v1 is actually pretty bad. I would love to see their so-called "experts" play against top community players.

redScare · May 2017

I tend to agree with OP. If that´s the best advice that "Relic´s best players" can give... well, that explains many things actually

TOGgledShot · May 2017

With the recent threads of frustration that people have been posting, I feel like, "TIPS FROM THE TEAM" was meant more as in innuendo for (in the eyes of the community) how Relic screwed the customer... haha

Proenca · May 2017

Im not complaining i just find it wierd that they post that after everyone starts talking about balance and then they say that every unit has its porpose and situation and that they arent the backbone of your army.
and im pretty sure thats referring to all the SM crying about eldar and Tacts.

Proenca · May 2017

@TOGgledShot said:
With the recent threads of frustration that people have been posting, I feel like, "TIPS FROM THE TEAM" was meant more as in innuendo for (in the eyes of the community) how Relic screwed the customer... haha

Exactly.

Wardemon · May 2017

I am still not sure what this thread is complaining about?
Are you saying they should not give those tips? From some of the 3v3 games I have played those tips are very very relevant. Or are you just reading some hidden meaning and insult into their generic tips for new players? What am I missing?

Paincakes · May 2017

@Proenca said:
Im not complaining i just find it wierd that they post that after everyone starts talking about balance and then they say that every unit has its porpose and situation and that they arent the backbone of your army.
and im pretty sure thats referring to all the SM crying about eldar and Tacts.

It really sounds like you are just trying to pick a fight. They already stated that Tactical Marines need a look because they aren't being used. I'm sure that Relic isn't trying to teach the high tier players, whatever that is at this time rofl.

The bad to average players won't be held back by balance issues by a crazy degree. Getting better when you aren't at the top of your game always is the solution to overcome balance. Obviously not the case if you are at your peak. So this advice isn't awful.

Proenca · May 2017

@Paincakes said:

@Proenca said:
Im not complaining i just find it wierd that they post that after everyone starts talking about balance and then they say that every unit has its porpose and situation and that they arent the backbone of your army.
and im pretty sure thats referring to all the SM crying about eldar and Tacts.

It really sounds like you are just trying to pick a fight. They already stated that Tactical Marines need a look because they aren't being used. I'm sure that Relic isn't trying to teach the high tier players, whatever that is at this time rofl.

The bad to average players won't be held back by balance issues by a crazy degree. Getting better when you aren't at the top of your game always is the solution to overcome balance. Obviously not the case if you are at your peak. So this advice isn't awful.

"Sounds like im picking a fight"
"Obviously not the case if you are at your peak"
Just learn to insult people if you wanna say something say it, not im not crying about balance our whatsoever its just unecessary ++heresy redacted++ and yes i love the game i will keep crying and picking fights until we have what we want.
Alot of us waited more then 3 years for a dawn of war game and then this comes out, no my Problem isnt that you can check my Profile im a good SM player if i may say so myself.
But i just dont like the fact being tied to a stupid Meta in an RTS game and having to rush most of my games vs eldar players and win that way becuse its Impossible to fight against eldar.
Thats just a simple fact you cannot fight an eldar head on and the worst part is if that eldar is good he will ofc use that to his advantage and as an SM there is nothing you can do.
And no you seem to have a rather strange Ideology but even if you are good playing vs a good player in dawn of war 3 you can really Notice the difference from one race to the other.
Im not complaining i just tought the post was wierd and especially since im not the only one picking a fight 1day after the so called "patch" they release the link i posted.

But hey maybe you are right i think il just stick to spamming ASM every game base rush and actually not play the game.

Proenca · May 2017

And for people that are wondering why i opened the thread is if this could of been intentional?
Since they posted this after the so called "patch" and i find it rather stupid.

Paincakes · May 2017

Hey man, I'm not saying you aren't at your peak. I'm speaking generally so sorry if that came across incorrect. You're reading too far into the tips in my humble opinion. They are good tips which are clearly beneficial to players who aren't all that great (or yet). Balance issues mean sqaut at the lower levels of play so any tip is worthy if it's not incorrect.

PiggiesGoMoo · May 2017

You're posting this thread as if Relic hasn't acknowledged the balance issues in the game. They have, explicitly.

Stoner · May 2017

@PiggiesGoMoo said:
You're posting this thread as if Relic hasn't acknowledged the balance issues in the game. They have, explicitly.

Why are you so sure?

HohesHaus · May 2017

Hmmmm I don't know what to think of it. It seems that they have a different point of view of how the people are playing the game at some points.

Quote: “If your enemy controls more of the map, they will probably spend more resources trying to upgrade all those points,” says Tim. “Not only does it cost them to upgrade nodes, it costs them exponentially more for each node they control of that type.”

Nope they don't. Noone does that, because it's a waste of ressources. They only building Gens and Listening Posts.

"If you can get scouts or another stealth squad behind them to destroy some of those expensive add-ons, that’s going to be great for your team"

Scouts and "other stealth units" don't do enough damage to destroy those gens in time before the cavallery arrives

“a fair number of players don’t harass effectively. Don’t send wave after wave of units at my well-defended middle point, attack me where I’m weakest.”

Ok I can agree on that !

“if you don’t transition fast enough to deal with threats from tier two or tier three, you’re going to lose every match. Once your enemy has got that next tier counter, a bigger wall of tier one units is not going to solve your problem.”
I can agree on that too

“that’s why scouting in an RTS game is so important. I have my favourite units but I don’t default to them blindly.”

I can only partially agree. There are units that are simply mandatory cough ASM * cough*

PrimaGoosa · May 2017

@Proenca said:
And for people that are wondering why i opened the thread is if this could of been intentional?
Since they posted this after the so called "patch" and i find it rather stupid.

Community update, May 4th: https://www.dawnofwar.com/article/community-update-may-4-2017

PATCH

On Monday, we’ll get the ball rolling with our first patch. This will address some of the bugs and issues you’ve flagged with us (so long, invisible Bonesinger!) but will also include the addition of a Surrender option in Multiplayer. We give special props to those players who chase a comeback to the bitter end, but we certainly want to give you the option to concede. If you surrender, you’ll receive Skulls and experience as if you lost the match. Check back on Monday for the full patch notes!

The "patch" delivered exactly what they said this patch would deliver. They also outline that the balance patch is going to be released later this month:

BALANCE

Later this month, we’re rolling out our first balance patch. It’s too early to give specifics but right now we’re looking carefully at units that players are skipping over (looking at you, Tactical Marines…), abilities that seem harder to counter (ahem… Zapnoggin’s teleport), and the factors that affect whether you can come back from a loss in an early match skirmish (how escalation phases are working).

Good lord, the sensitivity and what almost appears to be intentional ignorance of people is incredible. Relic doesn't release a specific tactical guide catered to the people trying their absolute hardest to top the nonexistent leaderboards, instead generally providing a guide to try to help new players overcome the general strategic obstacles of a difficult RTS, and we get rage threads.

Getting mad for the sake of getting mad. I'm going to go blind soon.

PiggiesGoMoo · May 2017

@Stoner said:

@PiggiesGoMoo said:
You're posting this thread as if Relic hasn't acknowledged the balance issues in the game. They have, explicitly.

Why are you so sure?

They acknowledged balance issues in the news post and said they are releasing fixes. Seems pretty straight-forward to me.

Sero · May 2017

Goddamn OP, really reaching aren't you? It's a game fam, you're not forced to play it, you aren't forced to build ASM every match and you are not forced to play the same faction the exact same way every single game.

Codex_Astartes · May 2017

“If your enemy controls more of the map, they will probably spend more resources trying to upgrade all those points,” says Tim. “Not only does it cost them to upgrade nodes, it costs them exponentially more for each node they control of that type.”

^ Why on earth would anyone upgrade points on enemy side or before transition 3? A loss of 250 req 50 power which you will get back after 8 mins and its bonus thereafter

Larkis · May 2017

@Codex_Astartes said:
“If your enemy controls more of the map, they will probably spend more resources trying to upgrade all those points,” says Tim. “Not only does it cost them to upgrade nodes, it costs them exponentially more for each node they control of that type.”

^ Why on earth would anyone upgrade points on enemy side or before transition 3? A loss of 250 req 50 power which you will get back after 8 mins and its bonus thereafter

The interesting part is that the costs for building this gens grow exponentially. Sounds interesting.
Also what people expect. There are generic tipps how to play the game. Meta and the Effecivity of Units will change every balance patch. So there is no reason to say now "buy only ASM" when next patch ASM get nerfed.

PrimaGoosa · May 2017

@Codex_Astartes said:
“If your enemy controls more of the map, they will probably spend more resources trying to upgrade all those points,” says Tim. “Not only does it cost them to upgrade nodes, it costs them exponentially more for each node they control of that type.”

^ Why on earth would anyone upgrade points on enemy side or before transition 3? A loss of 250 req 50 power which you will get back after 8 mins and its bonus thereafter

I'm guessing they mean building generators. If they try to get economically ahead by building generators in advanced positions, then there's a period where you can catch up. If they don't, then they aren't really getting much further ahead economically unless you went and lost the entire map and they already had a few points built up.

I don't think they mean actually spending resources on the "upgrade" upgrade.

Proenca · May 2017

Im glad this didnt turn out in a fight, now we can discuss the tips they gave us like @Codex_Astartes stated above.

@Sero said:
Goddamn OP, really reaching aren't you? It's a game fam, you're not forced to play it, you aren't forced to build ASM every match and you are not forced to play the same faction the exact same way every single game.

Humm yes you kinda have since there is a meta and thats what it stands for.
Incase you know what a meta is this isnt dawn of war 1 or dawn of war where you could do anything depending on the situation.
And honest why are you all getting mad for? can i not discuss about a game i love that not only just i but thousands would be to much i guess since most of the comunity died out, can i not discuss it? something i care about?
Im sorry if i am that wrong and getting mad for the sake of getting mad then im sorry.
I always try to talk about things and understand both sides and again the intention behind this thread is ive been following relic since the beginning and they do things rather slugish and has a member of the comunity i think i can discuss and talk or rage over what ever suits me do i not?

But getting back to your question, yes i am forced to play every single fking game using the same strat becuse otherwise its impossible with tacts you can only beat eldars that are mentally challenged or never touched a PC before,
and as i wrote multiple times and im not the only one dawn of war 3 should of remained in beta, this way people like myself that rage for the sake of raging would be raging at all, since then the beta would mean things arent balanced the game isnt that what we want it to be yet.
But no my Point is like many others Relic released a fking crap copy of SC2 if you guys wanna hate on me go ahead but bring proper arguments that actually make sense.
And sorry for maybe some words being incorrect in english i dont want to be one of those guys my english is good but my grammar is garbage sometimes.

Proenca · May 2017

@Codex_Astartes said:
“If your enemy controls more of the map, they will probably spend more resources trying to upgrade all those points,” says Tim. “Not only does it cost them to upgrade nodes, it costs them exponentially more for each node they control of that type.”

^ Why on earth would anyone upgrade points on enemy side or before transition 3? A loss of 250 req 50 power which you will get back after 8 mins and its bonus thereafter

and alot of eldars rush your Points near your base and build them there since they know you cannot counter that until you have your ASM at least thats happend to me alot of times and its really annoying.

EndgameOnyx · May 2017

reads thread

So... you're upset that Relic posted a community advice article that didn't address your specific concerns?

Is it snowing in here?

Kharneth · May 2017

Thanks for posting this. The advice was helpful and generic enough to be relevant to me. Post more when they release more.

HohesHaus · May 2017

@Larkis said:

@Codex_Astartes said:
“If your enemy controls more of the map, they will probably spend more resources trying to upgrade all those points,” says Tim. “Not only does it cost them to upgrade nodes, it costs them exponentially more for each node they control of that type.”

^ Why on earth would anyone upgrade points on enemy side or before transition 3? A loss of 250 req 50 power which you will get back after 8 mins and its bonus thereafter

The interesting part is that the costs for building this gens grow exponentially. Sounds interesting.
Also what people expect. There are generic tipps how to play the game. Meta and the Effecivity of Units will change every balance patch. So there is no reason to say now "buy only ASM" when next patch ASM get nerfed.

Ok that's a good point

Sero · May 2017

@Proenca said:
Im glad this didnt turn out in a fight, now we can discuss the tips they gave us like @Codex_Astartes stated above.

@Sero said:
Goddamn OP, really reaching aren't you? It's a game fam, you're not forced to play it, you aren't forced to build ASM every match and you are not forced to play the same faction the exact same way every single game.

Humm yes you kinda have since there is a meta and thats what it stands for.
Incase you know what a meta is this isnt dawn of war 1 or dawn of war where you could do anything depending on the situation.
And honest why are you all getting mad for? can i not discuss about a game i love that not only just i but thousands would be to much i guess since most of the comunity died out, can i not discuss it? something i care about?

Yo if you wanna discuss things you should probably start a thread with points to discuss not just half-++heresy redacted++ an OP to bait people with.

But getting back to your question, yes i am forced to play every single fking game using the same strat becuse otherwise its impossible with tacts you can only beat eldars that are mentally challenged or never touched a PC before,

Tacts and ASM do not make up the entire roster of the SM faction.

KanKrusha · May 2017

Servitor hiding in steam. Drop kill team, upgrade with missile launcher, blow up Gen. Recall killteam.

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