New Elites Drafts (for fun!)

40kek · June 2017

Hey forums. Being the efficient time waster I am, I've drafted a few new Space Marine elites for the heck of it, which I thought I'd post just for fun. This being the internet, it goes without saying, but feel free to trash my ideas or, of course, build upon them! So without further ado....

Scout Sergeant Cyrus (3 EP)

Presence and Command
- Cyrus' Presence: Rejuvenating Shadows
  - Scouts and Scout Snipers heal when in Stealth Cover
  - Alternative: Scouts and Scout Snipers gain a shield when entering Stealth Cover (internal cooldown of 10 seconds to prevent abuse)
- Cyrus' Command: Explosive Ammunition
  - Scout Snipers now have access to the High Powered Shot ability
    - Maximum 3 charges. Snipers fire a single, powerful shot at the chosen target. Deals light AOE damage around the target. Uses recharge over time.
Wargear
- Shotgun
  - Close range, normal damage. Hits multiple targets in a cone.
- Sniper Rifle
  - Long range, true damage. Single target.
Abilities
- Weapon Swap: Shotgun
- Weapon Swap: Sniper Rifle
- Lightning Reflexes
  - Temporarily increase Cyrus' attack speed, allowing for powerful burst potential.
"Stats" and Summary
- Low health, no shields
- Cyrus is an early game assassin unit with greater mobility than most Space Marine units, having the same speed as Scouts. His ability to swap between shotgun and sniper rifle give him a unique adaptability for combat situations, and his Lightning Reflexes ability gives him a strong burst potential. His weakness lies in his weak melee damage and low health pool.

Apothecary (4 or 5 EP)

Presence and Command
- Apothecary's Presence: Larraman's Blessing
  - ???
- Apothecary's Command: Angels of Death
  - When an Assault Marine squad kills an enemy unit, they gain a stack of light health regeneration (short duration, stacks up to 3 times, stacks increase duration, not intensity)
    - Alternative: Same as above, but applied for Tactical Marines
Wargear
- Chainsword
  - Normal damage
- Bolt Pistol
  - Normal damage
- Jump Pack
Abilities
- Combat Stimulants (2 uses, 1 charge per 30 seconds)
  - Target squad deals increased damage while taking decreased damage
- Medical Kit (60 second cooldown)
  - Target squad receives a strong heal. Cannot target vehicles
- Angel's Flight
  - Same as the Assault Marine's leap, but upon landing, the Apothecary gains a shield
"Stats" and Summary
- Medium health, no shields
- The Apothecary should be a strong front line support who fights best when with allies. He differs from Diomedes due to his lessened ability to individually tank, varied support capabilities, and superior mobility.

Guziol · June 2017

Not bad. I miss Steve Bl... i mean Cyrus and would like some more scout oriented things. I also really miss shotgun scouts from dow 2.

CANNED_F3TUS · June 2017

Why not make apoth a singular line unit? But without jump pack. Never heard of a apoth with jump packs.

redScare · June 2017

Yep, Apoth with jump pack strikes me as very odd. Do they even exist in TT? I also suspect that combat heals are a no-go by design in DoW3, there are very few abilities granting heals, and I think all them have "out of combat requirement" or similar restriction (scrap heal). So apoth will be likely about buffs and debuffs, not straight healing.

PaperBaG · June 2017

Hmm so basically make SM dow2 heros into elites 0.o?

Stoner · June 2017

@redScare said:
Yep, Apoth with jump pack strikes me as very odd. Do they even exist in TT? I also suspect that combat heals are a no-go by design in DoW3, there are very few abilities granting heals, and I think all them have "out of combat requirement" or similar restriction (scrap heal). So apoth will be likely about buffs and debuffs, not straight healing.

SM can heal with Gabe presence from Drop Pod a bit, and T3 banner basically heals my entire army to 100% in combat. Also Chaplain starts to heal army across the map on max charge. Gorgutz heals army pretty well with full swing duration as well as Waaagh! trigger iirc. Eldar don't need it, they have shields and insta-relocating wraiths...

So, I don't see problem with adding Apo, but NOT AS ELITE ffs. I'd rather have Chaplain as battle support-healer-tank Elite and Apo being line unit who can be attached to infantry... A man can dream, right?

40kek · June 2017

I'll be honest, the jump pack was kind of a spur of the moment idea, I should have looked into the lore before happy-go-lucky-ing it. I'd also be down for Apothecary not being an elite and more like a Dawn of War attachable leader for squads or just as a unit in general, this was just a random concept I had. Thanks for the replies guys!

CANNED_F3TUS · June 2017

Yeah i would love to see relic adding the apoth and tech marine as attachable units to yoyr line infantry.

You can only build 2 apoths and it gives your squads increased health generation and comat drugs that increase toughess momentarily.

Tech marine could build tarantula turrets only, have an improved heal for vehicles and be equipped with a melta gun with orbs of ominssiah that stuns and damages vehicles?

MilosVarcakovic · June 2017

Only me wanting to see a Techmarine and / or a landraider as an elite?

tritol · June 2017

the apothecary could work something like those wraith passives for eldar, he could collect gene seed and with that help with building new units .. something like reducing cost or faster build time ... or make him mobile reinforce platform like trukks where you could reinforce units based on gene seeds collected ... (now when I think about it do you remember meat wagons from warcraft 3 and necromancers ?)

now when turrets are going to be added they could make techmarine with tarantulas

n0ave_ · June 2017

SCOUT SERGEANT CYRUS (3 EP)

This would be awesome!!!!

Also a Techmarine

0riginal_z0M · June 2017

@40kek said:
I'll be honest, the jump pack was kind of a spur of the moment idea, I should have looked into the lore before happy-go-lucky-ing it. I'd also be down for Apothecary not being an elite and more like a Dawn of War attachable leader for squads or just as a unit in general, this was just a random concept I had. Thanks for the replies guys!

How about if having an apoth was something you could upgrade TSM squads with in your armoury at T2 for example.. once upgraded you can increase TSM to x6units by adding an apoth (options being apoth, flamer or plasma), and he gives them a slow heal ability once activated or.. increased health buff for a duration orrr.. a shield

Stoner · June 2017

Would be totally nice if options for tacs would be Sergeant/Apo/Plasma/Flamer/Rocket. Let's face it: they are pretty useless by late game, I usually see transition into Devs/Lascannons post T2 and it works much better.

40kek · June 2017

@0riginal_z0M said:

@40kek said:
I'll be honest, the jump pack was kind of a spur of the moment idea, I should have looked into the lore before happy-go-lucky-ing it. I'd also be down for Apothecary not being an elite and more like a Dawn of War attachable leader for squads or just as a unit in general, this was just a random concept I had. Thanks for the replies guys!

How about if having an apoth was something you could upgrade TSM squads with in your armoury at T2 for example.. once upgraded you can increase TSM to x6units by adding an apoth (options being apoth, flamer or plasma), and he gives them a slow heal ability once activated or.. increased health buff for a duration orrr.. a shield

That sounds pretty cool! I think it'd really help the later game presence of tacticals!

@Stoner said:
Would be totally nice if options for tacs would be Sergeant/Apo/Plasma/Flamer/Rocket. Let's face it: they are pretty useless by late game, I usually see transition into Devs/Lascannons post T2 and it works much better.

Quoting because I wanna use this as kind of a joining point with the stuff above. The additions of the Sgt and Apo as tactical upgrades would provide the defensive / utility upgrades that the tacticals are missing at the moment, minus the Arsenal blanket infantry upgrades. I really like the idea of squad leaders coming in as purchasable upgrades come T2 to help earlier squads stay relevant (at a cost, of course).
Perhaps the Sgt could slightly increase squad fire rate, provide increased weapon range, or grant access to krak grenades (though personally I'm a fan of the frags becoming standard and krak replacing the current frag doctrine idea) while the Apo functions like how z0M states (or if someone has cool lore functions for Sgt, fire away).

I can't believe I forgot about the Techmarine though! I know lots of you have mentions you'd rather have him as a normal unit, but bringing him up has kind of inspired me to try to draft him out as an elite for fun!

TheCreature · July 2017

The Apothecary should have Gene-Seed Extraction: SM units can reinforce, one unit at a time, near him at no cost, but only if he has charges built up (3 charges on a timer of 1 every 2mins) each charge gives one unit. Also, Combat Drugs: Has a passive aoe 15% damage and toughness buff in a 15 foot circle around himself, to any human unit, including allies. Buff lasts 15secs if out of his range. Does not affect elite units. After buff is up, unit has a 15% slow debuff for 15sec, until its within range again. Can be toggled on/off.

CANNED_F3TUS · July 2017

@Nassir_Amit said:

@MilosVarcakovic said:
Only me wanting to see a Techmarine and / or a landraider as an elite?

I´d like to see some line units, that ´would rival an elite in strength. Not many, but some to add more subsatance

You got dreads, wraith blades guards, any of the ork walkers. They all have elite level DPS or even higher.

CANNED_F3TUS · July 2017

@Nassir_Amit said:

@CANNED_F3TUS said:

@Nassir_Amit said:

@MilosVarcakovic said:
Only me wanting to see a Techmarine and / or a landraider as an elite?

I´d like to see some line units, that ´would rival an elite in strength. Not many, but some to add more subsatance

You got dreads, wraith blades guards, any of the ork walkers. They all have elite level DPS or even higher.

That s not, what I meant. It s not only about dps, but about the way a unit works in the roster.

Think about an landraider . An heaviely armored combat vehicle, yet slow and fat, the ideal target. It s (or was) about the LR´s way to interact as moble retreat point (hard or not) and stone in the bristeling storm of battle while also providing reenforcement.

Or an avatar of Khaine, not only a melee monster, but also quiet capable of supporting the eldar ( if not terribly op in DoW 1) and lead the line / hold as anchor.

This is, what those units must fulfil, not raw dps is valued on the battlefield, but also the capabilities of support and interaction between other units and staying power.

None of those units above could take a beating for longer then half a minute, considering also, the player willingly sacrificed it, as nobody would attend an fight as hopeless.

You don t have ways to hold the line just enough to poor on more reenforcements, or atleast slow the enemy for help to arrive. Once you go in, you have to go all in or you will fail more likely, of which the result would be terrifiingly. An broken line, an depleated army and nothing to keep the enemy at bay to raid your position,

You basicly want a super tanky support DPS units that are buildable in game and are not elite. Yet are powerful and technically belong in elite roster. Land raider and avatar are both super units. They pretty much excel at alot of things. Sounds like a future elite unit to me.

CANNED_F3TUS · July 2017

@Nassir_Amit said:

@CANNED_F3TUS said:

@Nassir_Amit said:

@CANNED_F3TUS said:

@Nassir_Amit said:

@MilosVarcakovic said:
Only me wanting to see a Techmarine and / or a landraider as an elite?

I´d like to see some line units, that ´would rival an elite in strength. Not many, but some to add more subsatance

You got dreads, wraith blades guards, any of the ork walkers. They all have elite level DPS or even higher.

That s not, what I meant. It s not only about dps, but about the way a unit works in the roster.

Think about an landraider . An heaviely armored combat vehicle, yet slow and fat, the ideal target. It s (or was) about the LR´s way to interact as moble retreat point (hard or not) and stone in the bristeling storm of battle while also providing reenforcement.

Or an avatar of Khaine, not only a melee monster, but also quiet capable of supporting the eldar ( if not terribly op in DoW 1) and lead the line / hold as anchor.

This is, what those units must fulfil, not raw dps is valued on the battlefield, but also the capabilities of support and interaction between other units and staying power.

None of those units above could take a beating for longer then half a minute, considering also, the player willingly sacrificed it, as nobody would attend an fight as hopeless.

You don t have ways to hold the line just enough to poor on more reenforcements, or atleast slow the enemy for help to arrive. Once you go in, you have to go all in or you will fail more likely, of which the result would be terrifiingly. An broken line, an depleated army and nothing to keep the enemy at bay to raid your position,

You basicly want a super tanky support DPS units that are buildable in game and are not elite. Yet are powerful and technically belong in elite roster. Land raider and avatar are both super units. They pretty much excel at alot of things. Sounds like a future elite unit to me.

Where is the fun of having super units, if you can only use 3 at best of them?
My idea gathered around giving the line rosters a bit more meat

3 superunits is more than any other DoW game ever had. The rosters of the races probably will get 1 or 2 more line units but Landraider will be an elite if added. Whats the point of using a 10 point knight when you can buy a landraider with resources and get it out on the field earlier.

People would not bother with them and rather front load lower point elites than waste time with high point elites that would come far later than a land raider or avatar.

CANNED_F3TUS · July 2017

@Nassir_Amit said:

@CANNED_F3TUS said:

@Nassir_Amit said:

@CANNED_F3TUS said:

@Nassir_Amit said:

@CANNED_F3TUS said:

@Nassir_Amit said:

@MilosVarcakovic said:
Only me wanting to see a Techmarine and / or a landraider as an elite?

I´d like to see some line units, that ´would rival an elite in strength. Not many, but some to add more subsatance

You got dreads, wraith blades guards, any of the ork walkers. They all have elite level DPS or even higher.

That s not, what I meant. It s not only about dps, but about the way a unit works in the roster.

Think about an landraider . An heaviely armored combat vehicle, yet slow and fat, the ideal target. It s (or was) about the LR´s way to interact as moble retreat point (hard or not) and stone in the bristeling storm of battle while also providing reenforcement.

Or an avatar of Khaine, not only a melee monster, but also quiet capable of supporting the eldar ( if not terribly op in DoW 1) and lead the line / hold as anchor.

This is, what those units must fulfil, not raw dps is valued on the battlefield, but also the capabilities of support and interaction between other units and staying power.

None of those units above could take a beating for longer then half a minute, considering also, the player willingly sacrificed it, as nobody would attend an fight as hopeless.

You don t have ways to hold the line just enough to poor on more reenforcements, or atleast slow the enemy for help to arrive. Once you go in, you have to go all in or you will fail more likely, of which the result would be terrifiingly. An broken line, an depleated army and nothing to keep the enemy at bay to raid your position,

You basicly want a super tanky support DPS units that are buildable in game and are not elite. Yet are powerful and technically belong in elite roster. Land raider and avatar are both super units. They pretty much excel at alot of things. Sounds like a future elite unit to me.

Where is the fun of having super units, if you can only use 3 at best of them?
My idea gathered around giving the line rosters a bit more meat

3 superunits is more than any other DoW game ever had. The rosters of the races probably will get 1 or 2 more line units but Landraider will be an elite if added. Whats the point of using a 10 point knight when you can buy a landraider with resources and get it out on the field earlier.

People would not bother with them and rather front load lower point elites than waste time with high point elites that would come far later than a land raider or avatar.

Depending on the priceing.
Unit could also be linked to escalation phases.

As long as you only get access to those units within 15 min , which is the earliest time to get an knight paladin up.

Also elits don t cost resources, so you could call them in simultaniously.

And there would be finally an option for fast teching an high tier unit, which some say isn t possble atm.

It s not like, that you have to decide either bringing an knight or LR , if one of them wasn t a elite

Oh thanks for mentioning another flaw. Calling them in simultaniously. Definantly sounds cool not fun in a big game though because every player than will have the potential to summon a tide turning superunit it would make for very trolly games and the flame relic would get for that in the
3 v 3 crowd would be awsome!

The option of fast teching to a high tier unit exist already.... Each race has their own high tier unit. And you say a land raider will be faster or easier to tech too than a Predator?

n0ave_ · August 2017

Scouts would use a proper leader like Cyrus.

That would be awesome, I recently started to replay dow2 campaigns and I can't wait to play with SM do use Cyrus and some sneaky C4s and pro sniping!

@40kek said:
Hey forums. Being the efficient time waster I am, I've drafted a few new Space Marine elites for the heck of it, which I thought I'd post just for fun. This being the internet, it goes without saying, but feel free to trash my ideas or, of course, build upon them! So without further ado....

Scout Sergeant Cyrus (3 EP)

Presence and Command

New Elites Drafts (for fun!)

Scout Sergeant Cyrus (3 EP)

Apothecary (4 or 5 EP)

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Scout Sergeant Cyrus (3 EP)