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Lacannon devastators
3 years ago
CadisEtramaDiRaizel
If las cannons are anti vehicle, how come they do significant damage against normal armour?
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If las cannons are anti vehicle, how come they do significant damage against normal armour?
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CadisEtramaDiRaizel
Compare that to needing 4-5 squads of spectres( Also, anti vehicle) to kill a tac squad. Is there a reason for it? I dont know hence why Im asking.
CANNED_F3TUS
I think that only happens if they are charged up.
n0ave_
Las cannon devastators are so good that I don't even feel the need to build the machine cult anymore.
Just put that extra power into fast 3/3 upgrades and crush your opponents. Works good, it only doesn't work vs the two best Orks players that we have (Yogi and Bhruic). Works good vs other top 5 Orks.
I really want Relic do something in regards to this so we SM players would want to build the machine cult again. Ever since last patch the meta is only mass infantry.
Stoner
Oh com'n, no need to exaggerate. Land Speeders and Whirlwinds are extremely potent T2 option as well, you know this better than anyone.
tritol
I am still building machine cults, there isnt anything more satisfying than setting half of a map on fire
n0ave_
Please link me towards a game with WW and Landspeeders. Between top 10 players or at least a tournament.
I`m not sure where you have seen those units in the past month.
Stoner
Here you go: https://play.eslgaming.com/dawnofwar/global/dow3/open/1on1-power-core-cup-2-global/download/27398471/
LaFaf being top 3 SM atm as far as I know, plus had some games with him, very solid player.
n0ave_
LaFaf played really bad in those games, he tried to pull the old scouts into predator build that doesn't work anymore vs orks.
Dandalus
Relic needs to introduce heavy armor type for infantry as DoW1&2.
CadisEtramaDiRaizel
I wish structures have a different armour type that is more durable.
AngelofDeth
LS is not good anymore because they get countered easily now but sometimes LS are good for harassing point. As for WW, they're still viable but everyone rushes lasdevs then to preds or dreads. Every top SM now abused scouts and then spam lascannons because they're so good against everything now. You might still want to get some dreads and preds but sometimes you don't have to. If your opponent are noobs, there's no need to go for machine cult.
Stoner
If you're using LS as a tank than sure, but they excel at harassing natural resource points, especially since they increased LP price to 300, it not hard too find undefended nodes and LS makes short work of them real quick. WWs are best for defensive play, not pro or anything here, but several times with smart WW timing I was able to drag myself out of certain defeat to crushing victory.
AngelofDeth
I'm not sure, I'm watching vindi vs babyu SM just now and haven't seen any WW in 15-30 min of the game, same goes for the other SM players. I don't know, maybe because everyone think lasdevs is the only option and ignores WW. LS sure is good for harassing point but against Eldar, they get countered by spectres.
CANNED_F3TUS
Nuuupe
Dandalus
Yes, these games are good cause they are strategic. Light, heavy, superheavy for infantry; vehicle armor for vehicles and buildings.
CANNED_F3TUS
DoW 3 is strategic even with only 2 armor types and is going to be more balanced because of it.
Even caeltos had to remove some armor and damage types out of the elite game and thats why elite mod had only slightly better balance.
The only thing that adding a crap ton of armor and damage types causes is people to cheeze.
Guziol
Coh has armor types now? What?
CANNED_F3TUS
With CC spam and maybe a handful of units from all factions combined over performing in DoW 3 compared to DoW 2 having countless ways to cheese i can write a book of it. (outright OP unit cheeze/ unconventional early game cheeze through clever use of certain damage types/ cheezy globals and hero abilities that synergize cheeze with more cheeze making it ultimate cheezestruction) like seriously thinking back to DoW 2 all it was, was who could lay down the cheeze the thickest and that person would win the game for his team trolling.
Im happy to say that DoW 3 is in a better spot than DoW 2 and DoW elite mod balance ever was...
CANNED_F3TUS
Zoanthrope cheeze (delete everything no setup and powerful shield just a lil bit of micro and vision needed MUCH CLEAR WEAPON ROLE THERE)
Spore mine explosive cheeze quite wonky but will delete armies if you sneak around and exploit use of opponents retreat mechanic and thank him later for pressing X.
catachan devil spam cheeze (REALLY FUNNY it works thank you sly marbo and stays viable all the way to late GAME thanks to wargear upgrades MUCH DEPTH MUCH BALANCE MUCH MUCH CLEAR NUANCE AND ROLES)
2/3 sentinel opener cheeze (LOL WHY BUILD MULTI LAZER WHEN YOU CAN HAVE A MOBILE MULTILAZER THAT CAN STOMP and if alive till T 2 can be anti infantry and vehicle),
Plague marine AND PCHAMP rottin cheeze (this unit does DoT, poison /heal explosion AOE on death and is anti tank THIS UNIT HAS SEVERAL DAMAGE TYPES THEY MADE THIS UNITS ROLE REALLY REALLY CLEAR MUCH BALANCED) probably the most OP cheeze in the game,
Heretic grenade launcher spam with Pchamp support (2 v 2 and 3 v 3 only) (just build tics 8+ you can go more if you want with grenade launchers win half of the map for team and rendering any early game infantry ALMOST useless until enemy scratches enough power to afford 1 measily vehicle which will get crushed by your team mates that have been laughing and teching the whole time)
Relic probably didnt predict that players would spam heretics at such scale.
Grey knights ( probably were fixed in latest elite patch but were so cheezy in some applications that people would kick GK players thank you suppressing flame weapons)
Eldar. (Insert any high level eldar game to see artistic flashy cheeze)
And when eldar starts losing there is always the fire dragon cheeze Perfect combo of armor types, damage resistances, mobility and damage type that seems to shred anything.(might have been fixed already)
sniper spam cheeze (3 v 3 only and maybe 2 v 2) for both eldar and SM very fun can get you upper hand fairly easily thanks to damage types very effective vs SM, chaos, orks
Orks.... They got a pretty decent list of their own to cheeze with.
Guziol
To think of it, coh 1 has diffrent infrantry types so i guess that did count as armor. Ignore my comment.
Auni
Stupid design, like alot in this game!
Laserdevs make normal devastorn useless.
In lategame spam laserdevs, perma charge and you can give a ++heresy redacted++ of armor type. cause the dmg is absurd even against 3/3 infantrie.
Auni
2 mounth still no fix.
Im very proud of the balancing team from relic.
Auni
@Nassir_Amit nothing wrong , with 2 armor types.
theorie = hold the system simple to balance it well.
Praxis.= doesn't work , even if it sounds really simple
RTSexperts
lascannons are definitely OP. they negate t3 predators too easily. what's the point. Spam that shiet and win
KINE
erm... if this was a total war game, you've basically said Spearmen kill Cavalry too easily
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Rock Paper Scissors. LasDevs are anti vehicle so yeah they kill Preds.
In case of confusion, ASMs jumping into LasDevs is the counter.
Dandalus
@KINE He said too easily, not they aren't supposed to counter them. I find when lasdevastators switch target charge has to reset.
CANNED_F3TUS
The problem with the las dev is that its too cost effective and in,big enough numbers becomes rock paper and scizzor because of its void ray like ability....