@Stoner said:
Just to be clear, considering what Kat posts, looks like they haven't even started working on new race, and even if they jump on it right now, it will be done maybe in 6 months with most optimistic ETA to take account all the systems they have to design and tweak, so just buckle up for a looooong wait.
They alone will play this game ..... 3 races in the third game of Dawn of War when the people only expect races, and do how the old games release a race after bilions of years when no one will play this game. GG RELIC IF U WANT SEE THIS GAME WITH A BETTER FUTURE THAN THE OTHERS. Ask yourself why this game no have players? why? a Dawn of War without the only thing do a Dawn of War a diferent game than Starcraft or others game? " What it's wrong? WHAT WE DO BAD?? Ooo why this game don't purchase any one? MAYBE BECAUSE WE SKIP THE MOST IMPORTANT THING???!!!" (sorry for this hate but i can't imagine the new Dawn Of war game with only 3 races, it's a joke)
@Stoner said:
Just to be clear, considering what Kat posts, looks like they haven't even started working on new race, and even if they jump on it right now, it will be done maybe in 6 months with most optimistic ETA to take account all the systems they have to design and tweak, so just buckle up for a looooong wait.
They alone will play this game ..... 3 races in the third game of Dawn of War when the people only expect races, and do how the old games release a race after bilions of years when no one will play this game. GG RELIC IF U WANT SEE THIS GAME WITH A BETTER FUTURE THAN THE OTHERS. Ask yourself why this game no have players? why? a Dawn of War without the only thing do a Dawn of War a diferent game than Starcraft or others game? " What it's wrong? WHAT WE DO BAD?? Ooo why this game don't purchase any one? MAYBE BECAUSE WE SKIP THE MOST IMPORTANT THING???!!!" (sorry for this hate but i can't imagine the new Dawn Of war game with only 3 races, it's a joke)
That's sads me, that there won't be probably new race for now or even ever, but oh well. But I understand how much work it takes. Still it looks like Relic also would like to add new race, but right now they seems to be focused at other feedback. In the meantime we should be happy with what we have.
@Stoner said:
Just to be clear, considering what Kat posts, looks like they haven't even started working on new race, and even if they jump on it right now, it will be done maybe in 6 months with most optimistic ETA to take account all the systems they have to design and tweak, so just buckle up for a looooong wait.
They alone will play this game ..... 3 races in the third game of Dawn of War when the people only expect races, and do how the old games release a race after bilions of years when no one will play this game. GG RELIC IF U WANT SEE THIS GAME WITH A BETTER FUTURE THAN THE OTHERS. Ask yourself why this game no have players? why? a Dawn of War without the only thing do a Dawn of War a diferent game than Starcraft or others game? " What it's wrong? WHAT WE DO BAD?? Ooo why this game don't purchase any one? MAYBE BECAUSE WE SKIP THE MOST IMPORTANT THING???!!!" (sorry for this hate but i can't imagine the new Dawn Of war game with only 3 races, it's a joke)
That's sads me, that there won't be probably new race for now or even ever, but oh well. But I understand how much work it takes. Still it looks like Relic also would like to add new race, but right now they seems to be focused at other feedback. In the meantime we should be happy with what we have.
I think it is more important to make the current player will not be bored before to please all players, but hey, now we will have tartaros (insert meme)
Adding a race is a huge task, and requires more then just the art team, especially in a modern title, that also require their own balancing, and need to stick to lore, else players will flip (get it) out.
Consider that a lot of the faction in dow1 were very similar to the point of using the same buildings re-skinned (sm, chaos) and some of the final factions were not very thought out well (my personal favourite is the dark eldar who get a button to instantly morale kill ig with a resource you can generate for almost free in your base, neat right?)
All the while, players will be crying for balance, game-modes, better casting potential, something else. hopefully instead relic can polish out what they have so far and then work in a new faction into a better game, instead of it becoming a bit of a mess.
Also worth mentioning DOW3 is not the only game to release with only 3 factions, see cnc 3, supcom, supcom 2, universe at war, etc.
@Stoner said:
Just to be clear, considering what Kat posts, looks like they haven't even started working on new race, and even if they jump on it right now, it will be done maybe in 6 months with most optimistic ETA to take account all the systems they have to design and tweak, so just buckle up for a looooong wait.
They alone will play this game ..... 3 races in the third game of Dawn of War when the people only expect races, and do how the old games release a race after bilions of years when no one will play this game. GG RELIC IF U WANT SEE THIS GAME WITH A BETTER FUTURE THAN THE OTHERS. Ask yourself why this game no have players? why? a Dawn of War without the only thing do a Dawn of War a diferent game than Starcraft or others game? " What it's wrong? WHAT WE DO BAD?? Ooo why this game don't purchase any one? MAYBE BECAUSE WE SKIP THE MOST IMPORTANT THING???!!!" (sorry for this hate but i can't imagine the new Dawn Of war game with only 3 races, it's a joke)
That's sads me, that there won't be probably new race for now or even ever, but oh well. But I understand how much work it takes. Still it looks like Relic also would like to add new race, but right now they seems to be focused at other feedback. In the meantime we should be happy with what we have.
Maybe if you purchase the game, they would have just enough for marketing so then they can publish the expansion.
@Stoner said:
Just to be clear, considering what Kat posts, looks like they haven't even started working on new race, and even if they jump on it right now, it will be done maybe in 6 months with most optimistic ETA to take account all the systems they have to design and tweak, so just buckle up for a looooong wait.
They alone will play this game ..... 3 races in the third game of Dawn of War when the people only expect races, and do how the old games release a race after bilions of years when no one will play this game. GG RELIC IF U WANT SEE THIS GAME WITH A BETTER FUTURE THAN THE OTHERS. Ask yourself why this game no have players? why? a Dawn of War without the only thing do a Dawn of War a diferent game than Starcraft or others game? " What it's wrong? WHAT WE DO BAD?? Ooo why this game don't purchase any one? MAYBE BECAUSE WE SKIP THE MOST IMPORTANT THING???!!!" (sorry for this hate but i can't imagine the new Dawn Of war game with only 3 races, it's a joke)
That's sads me, that there won't be probably new race for now or even ever, but oh well. But I understand how much work it takes. Still it looks like Relic also would like to add new race, but right now they seems to be focused at other feedback. In the meantime we should be happy with what we have.
Maybe if you purchase the game, they would have just enough for marketing so then they can publish the expansion.
Nice, but single purchase is not enough. Relic has sell it to enough people, though I doubt that. Still I guess that it was sold enough for a single expansion, but Relic seems to be focused on other feedback at the moment.
Anyways thanks for your support, I apprecciate that.
@biass said:
Adding a race is a huge task, and requires more then just the art team, especially in a modern title, that also require their own balancing, and need to stick to lore, else players will flip (get it) out.
Consider that a lot of the faction in dow1 were very similar to the point of using the same buildings re-skinned (sm, chaos) and some of the final factions were not very thought out well (my personal favourite is the dark eldar who get a button to instantly morale kill ig with a resource you can generate for almost free in your base, neat right?)
All the while, players will be crying for balance, game-modes, better casting potential, something else. hopefully instead relic can polish out what they have so far and then work in a new faction into a better game, instead of it becoming a bit of a mess.
Also worth mentioning DOW3 is not the only game to release with only 3 factions, see cnc 3, supcom, supcom 2, universe at war, etc.
Mmmm probably you have reason. I can understand we need to wait more but, @Kat_RE we can expect for the following months? Sincerely with new elites the wait would become much more enjoyable. You have thousands for introduces (Sm: landraider, sigismund,legion of damned, eldar: harlequins, fire dragons [or introduces new line units how fire dragons), etc) only skins can't create new playstyle or builds
Please no " balance " patch before the bellum. Each faction want more advantages than others and proposes its own changes to balance making them weaker than it should be.
@Diogen84 said:
Please no " balance " patch before the bellum. Each faction want more advantages than others and proposes its own changes to balance making them weaker than it should be.
I'm pretty sure balance patch won't arrive at the time bellum starts, but I think it's rather bad thing. If we had balance patch before tournie, new metas wouldn't be fully explored yet and matches between races would be more unpredictable and exciting. Currently metas are pretty much set in stone, and I bet at finals we'll just see Ork vs. Ork. I honestly don't see the point in competition without balance patch here...
@Diogen84 said:
Please no " balance " patch before the bellum. Each faction want more advantages than others and proposes its own changes to balance making them weaker than it should be.
I'm pretty sure balance patch won't arrive at the time bellum starts, but I think it's rather bad thing. If we had balance patch before tournie, new metas wouldn't be fully explored yet and matches between races would be more unpredictable and exciting. Currently metas are pretty much set in stone, and I bet at finals we'll just see Ork vs. Ork. I honestly don't see the point in competition without balance patch here...
Pal, I think all factions are playable and competitive now.
@Kat_RE said:
I'm copying this earlier post I made on the same topic, since it still applies:
you know the drill, Kat. the community is going to ask the same question over and over again until Relic is finally like "alright alright, we will start working on a new race now...jeez"
How long did it take for CA to release Beastmen DLC? Yeah Necrons will take the same time so dont put too much hope on it. I would be fine if they just release Observer mode tbh
@Diogen84 said:
Please no " balance " patch before the bellum. Each faction want more advantages than others and proposes its own changes to balance making them weaker than it should be.
I'm pretty sure balance patch won't arrive at the time bellum starts, but I think it's rather bad thing. If we had balance patch before tournie, new metas wouldn't be fully explored yet and matches between races would be more unpredictable and exciting. Currently metas are pretty much set in stone, and I bet at finals we'll just see Ork vs. Ork. I honestly don't see the point in competition without balance patch here...
Pal, I think all factions are playable and competitive now.
Changes of colour is good. But I wonder "will you Depersonalize commanders? I am not against Gabreal Angelos, but I would like if I play for Raven guards - he would not have been as a commander.
@Diogen84 said:
Please no " balance " patch before the bellum. Each faction want more advantages than others and proposes its own changes to balance making them weaker than it should be.
I'm pretty sure balance patch won't arrive at the time bellum starts, but I think it's rather bad thing. If we had balance patch before tournie, new metas wouldn't be fully explored yet and matches between races would be more unpredictable and exciting. Currently metas are pretty much set in stone, and I bet at finals we'll just see Ork vs. Ork. I honestly don't see the point in competition without balance patch here...
Pal, I think all factions are playable and competitive now.
Lascannons need a nerf.
their op-ness only comes from the limited armor/accuracy mechanics
@Diogen84 said:
Please no " balance " patch before the bellum. Each faction want more advantages than others and proposes its own changes to balance making them weaker than it should be.
I'm pretty sure balance patch won't arrive at the time bellum starts, but I think it's rather bad thing. If we had balance patch before tournie, new metas wouldn't be fully explored yet and matches between races would be more unpredictable and exciting. Currently metas are pretty much set in stone, and I bet at finals we'll just see Ork vs. Ork. I honestly don't see the point in competition without balance patch here...
Pal, I think all factions are playable and competitive now.
Lascannons need a nerf.
their op-ness only comes from the limited armor/accuracy mechanics
No.
Yes
No lol.
Limited Armor types has absolutly nothing to do with it.
Its the charges and the fact that Las devs dont lose it when switching targets.
SC 2 had the exact same issues with the void ray (yes relic directly ripped off from the void ray)
Voidrays where supposed to be the anti big stuff and siege unit but became anti everything once charged up and spammed. It would melt everything in seconds.
Remove charges and make the las cannon work like it does in fluff or town down charges and las dev will be fixed...
Las devs are fine. They do not need a nerf. All other factuons have powerfull antivehicle. Do you rememver what a trash they were before the first patch?
Killakans have true dmg and long shot. Eldars have reapers and now flying spectres, who can hit during moving(!). But las devs are:
1. The slowest unit
2. Have time of setting up and removing weapon before retreat.
3. Extremely vulnerable against all eldar and orc troops.
4. Melee forces eat them on breakfast(invisible banshee strike or trukk catapult).
Taking everything into account you propose to make them trash again.
As being said many times, AP deals too much damage to normal armor right now, Tankbusters, Wraithguards and Lascannons, all melt infantry real fast in numbers, so issue isn't with particular unit.
@Diogen84 said:
Please no " balance " patch before the bellum. Each faction want more advantages than others and proposes its own changes to balance making them weaker than it should be.
I'm pretty sure balance patch won't arrive at the time bellum starts, but I think it's rather bad thing. If we had balance patch before tournie, new metas wouldn't be fully explored yet and matches between races would be more unpredictable and exciting. Currently metas are pretty much set in stone, and I bet at finals we'll just see Ork vs. Ork. I honestly don't see the point in competition without balance patch here...
Pal, I think all factions are playable and competitive now.
Not so sure about that, considering last tournie and some Vindi's posts plus replays, but we'll see soon enough I guess...
@Stoner said:
As being said many times, AP deals too much damage to normal armor right now, Tankbusters, Wraithguards and Lascannons, all melt infantry real fast in numbers, so issue isn't with particular unit.
Looks like you haven't played as sm. Lasdevs are not antiinfantry.
They are the most vulnerable antivehicle unit in the game.
@Stoner said:
As being said many times, AP deals too much damage to normal armor right now, Tankbusters, Wraithguards and Lascannons, all melt infantry real fast in numbers, so issue isn't with particular unit.
Looks like you haven't played as sm. Lasdevs are not antiinfantry.
They are the most vulnerable antivehicle unit in the game.
Actually, Lascannons deal brutal amounts of damage to infantry, whrn compared with Tankbustas (not counting Squiggs or bombardment doctrine) and Shadow Specters.
@CptAlex said:
Relic Could you just remove turrets from doctrine and place them as a line building please
Why?
Cause relic wanted turrets to be a strategic decision to take. While i agree turrets are currently weak when buffed are gonna be fine for a doctrine slot.
@Stoner said:
As being said many times, AP deals too much damage to normal armor right now, Tankbusters, Wraithguards and Lascannons, all melt infantry real fast in numbers, so issue isn't with particular unit.
Looks like you haven't played as sm. Lasdevs are not antiinfantry.
They are the most vulnerable antivehicle unit in the game.
Actually, Lascannons deal brutal amounts of damage to infantry, whrn compared with Tankbustas (not counting Squiggs or bombardment doctrine) and Shadow Specters.
I would agree on you proposal if lasdevs didn't have setup time at all, like shadow spectres, and speed like tankbustas. Remember that this unit is very expensive. So the cost also should be the same, according to your logic.
Making all units similar will make no difference among factions and interest to play. Deal with it(c).
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Reyseth
They alone will play this game ..... 3 races in the third game of Dawn of War when the people only expect races, and do how the old games release a race after bilions of years when no one will play this game. GG RELIC IF U WANT SEE THIS GAME WITH A BETTER FUTURE THAN THE OTHERS. Ask yourself why this game no have players? why? a Dawn of War without the only thing do a Dawn of War a diferent game than Starcraft or others game? " What it's wrong? WHAT WE DO BAD?? Ooo why this game don't purchase any one? MAYBE BECAUSE WE SKIP THE MOST IMPORTANT THING???!!!" (sorry for this hate but i can't imagine the new Dawn Of war game with only 3 races, it's a joke)
Draconix
That's sads me, that there won't be probably new race for now or even ever, but oh well. But I understand how much work it takes. Still it looks like Relic also would like to add new race, but right now they seems to be focused at other feedback. In the meantime we should be happy with what we have.
Reyseth
I think it is more important to make the current player will not be bored before to please all players, but hey, now we will have tartaros (insert meme)
Hibou
If they haven't even started working on new race so why we so rarely see pathes and new skins, seems they are too lazy or just working in stealth
LeemanRuss
biass
Adding a race is a huge task, and requires more then just the art team, especially in a modern title, that also require their own balancing, and need to stick to lore, else players will flip (get it) out.
Consider that a lot of the faction in dow1 were very similar to the point of using the same buildings re-skinned (sm, chaos) and some of the final factions were not very thought out well (my personal favourite is the dark eldar who get a button to instantly morale kill ig with a resource you can generate for almost free in your base, neat right?)
All the while, players will be crying for balance, game-modes, better casting potential, something else. hopefully instead relic can polish out what they have so far and then work in a new faction into a better game, instead of it becoming a bit of a mess.
Also worth mentioning DOW3 is not the only game to release with only 3 factions, see cnc 3, supcom, supcom 2, universe at war, etc.
CadisEtramaDiRaizel
Maybe if you purchase the game, they would have just enough for marketing so then they can publish the expansion.
Draconix
Nice, but single purchase is not enough. Relic has sell it to enough people, though I doubt that. Still I guess that it was sold enough for a single expansion, but Relic seems to be focused on other feedback at the moment.
Anyways thanks for your support, I apprecciate that.
Reyseth
Mmmm probably you have reason. I can understand we need to wait more but, @Kat_RE we can expect for the following months? Sincerely with new elites the wait would become much more enjoyable. You have thousands for introduces (Sm: landraider, sigismund,legion of damned, eldar: harlequins, fire dragons [or introduces new line units how fire dragons), etc) only skins can't create new playstyle or builds
Diogen84
Please no " balance " patch before the bellum. Each faction want more advantages than others and proposes its own changes to balance making them weaker than it should be.
Stoner
I'm pretty sure balance patch won't arrive at the time bellum starts, but I think it's rather bad thing. If we had balance patch before tournie, new metas wouldn't be fully explored yet and matches between races would be more unpredictable and exciting. Currently metas are pretty much set in stone, and I bet at finals we'll just see Ork vs. Ork. I honestly don't see the point in competition without balance patch here...
Diogen84
Pal, I think all factions are playable and competitive now.
DmonBlu
How long did it take for CA to release Beastmen DLC? Yeah Necrons will take the same time so dont put too much hope on it. I would be fine if they just release Observer mode tbh
CptAlex
Relic Could you just remove turrets from doctrine and place them as a line building please
CadisEtramaDiRaizel
Lascannons need a nerf.
12ozMouse
Changes of colour is good. But I wonder "will you Depersonalize commanders? I am not against Gabreal Angelos, but I would like if I play for Raven guards - he would not have been as a commander.
CANNED_F3TUS
No.
CANNED_F3TUS
Why?
CANNED_F3TUS
No lol.
Limited Armor types has absolutly nothing to do with it.
Its the charges and the fact that Las devs dont lose it when switching targets.
SC 2 had the exact same issues with the void ray (yes relic directly ripped off from the void ray)
Voidrays where supposed to be the anti big stuff and siege unit but became anti everything once charged up and spammed. It would melt everything in seconds.
Remove charges and make the las cannon work like it does in fluff or town down charges and las dev will be fixed...
Diogen84
Las devs are fine. They do not need a nerf. All other factuons have powerfull antivehicle. Do you rememver what a trash they were before the first patch?
Killakans have true dmg and long shot. Eldars have reapers and now flying spectres, who can hit during moving(!). But las devs are:
1. The slowest unit
2. Have time of setting up and removing weapon before retreat.
3. Extremely vulnerable against all eldar and orc troops.
4. Melee forces eat them on breakfast(invisible banshee strike or trukk catapult).
Taking everything into account you propose to make them trash again.
Stoner
As being said many times, AP deals too much damage to normal armor right now, Tankbusters, Wraithguards and Lascannons, all melt infantry real fast in numbers, so issue isn't with particular unit.
Not so sure about that, considering last tournie and some Vindi's posts plus replays, but we'll see soon enough I guess...
CptAlex
Why not?
Diogen84
Looks like you haven't played as sm. Lasdevs are not antiinfantry.
They are the most vulnerable antivehicle unit in the game.
jonoliveira12
Actually, Lascannons deal brutal amounts of damage to infantry, whrn compared with Tankbustas (not counting Squiggs or bombardment doctrine) and Shadow Specters.
CANNED_F3TUS
Cause relic wanted turrets to be a strategic decision to take. While i agree turrets are currently weak when buffed are gonna be fine for a doctrine slot.
Diogen84
I would agree on you proposal if lasdevs didn't have setup time at all, like shadow spectres, and speed like tankbustas. Remember that this unit is very expensive. So the cost also should be the same, according to your logic.
Making all units similar will make no difference among factions and interest to play. Deal with it(c).