Metagame is boring.

GenDrameron · February 2018

I do not want to complain, but I'm just giving a little bit of my thoughts now.

Since the last update, I see nothing but a quick game of Spam, which does not say very boring.

I would like to try something new to think, theoretically what a true RTS is meant to use is the cup of jelly in our heads.
But the tactics are always there, but they are just the ones.
Of course, what you have to do is win because you want to win, and that's why you do what's always good and best.
But I do not want to believe that in a game that requires knowledge and intelligence, this is the maximum, and how fast I can push that button, I feel like I'm going to play all that fast, 5 minutes as fast as possible, and that's not the point.

Players and developers would be good at thinking that this is now an RTS game or a Spam / APM hussar game because I can play multitasking games for free and in a browser.

You should be the many species and you should be able to solve that mixed army, make sense to develop Tear.
Get some thinking.

This is a RTS game, let it be.

Achernar · February 2018

@Bigamo said:
Like I said one thousand times already, only way to save the meta is to remove doctrines and PC mode.

Sure, some kind of meta is ALWAYS present but this meta is the worst I have ever see in a RTS game. And even if you nerf those doctrines meta will always be the next meta with more doctrines to nerf around the corner, until the point were all doctrines get so nerfed that they become irrelevant. So it's just better to gain time and remove doctrines.

Dude, no one is forcing you to play PC or use doctrines, if you don't like them. There's a checkbox option for doctrines and annihilation game mode. Or do you want to force other people to play what you like?

Spirit · February 2018

If you remove pc dow3 is insta dead, go away with your silly ideas.

Annihilation is and will always be only an custom game mode and thats good you can spam every threat with your silly idea to remove pc mode it wont change anything.

Achernar · February 2018

@Bigamo said:

@Achernar said:

@Bigamo said:
Like I said one thousand times already, only way to save the meta is to remove doctrines and PC mode.

Sure, some kind of meta is ALWAYS present but this meta is the worst I have ever see in a RTS game. And even if you nerf those doctrines meta will always be the next meta with more doctrines to nerf around the corner, until the point were all doctrines get so nerfed that they become irrelevant. So it's just better to gain time and remove doctrines.

Dude, no one is forcing you to play PC or use doctrines, if you don't like them. There's a checkbox option for doctrines and annihilation game mode. Or do you want to focre other people to play what you like?

No one is playing nothing, looooooong time searching a game just to spam Tacticals and win in 5 minutes.

Or under your argumentation no one can complain about the meta cause some people do the same thing every single game, so they like it and meta is fine and we should not force anyone to anything.

Under your argumentation removing PC and doctrines would achieve nothing, because even people who don't like those two thing refuse to play without them for some odd reason.

Spirit · February 2018

Removing doctrins is not completely neccessary they could make them an ingame upgrade so you need to actually also unlock them ingame other than just have the skills that you chose before the game for free.

Either make it so that you can unlock the docs that you chosen before the game starts or even all. I mean to unlock them ingame with req or power or make a extra ressource for this.

Doctrins and how they work now really limit your actions and your playstyle, also you cant see what the enemy got before the game starts.

Draconix · February 2018

Personally I think that meta is like a plague, but sadly it is necessenary for any competiveness in multi. Luckilly in my compstomps I wouldn't bother with that, but if I would ever like to play competively, then I would have to adapt to meta unfortunately in order to win.

Opinion post.

Spirit · February 2018

Sure you would need to adapt, otherwise you would get trashed most likely in most games by other players.

Iatros · February 2018

I think that some of you guys might want to try the 2vs2 and 3vs3 modes and stop playing 1vs1 only.
You will see that the game is far more interesting like that. You will see that early spams with line units will become absolete and you can have the chance to field higher point elites, enjoy more of the later tier units, enjoy synergies with other armies. Those modes have more viable doctrines.
I understand that some of the ppl only care about the ladder and focus only at honing their skills there and improve themselves and feel that the rest is a waste of time, but please try that for your own pleasure once in a while!

Spirit · February 2018

I like pc mode in 1v1 too would never think about playing any 1v1 in annihilation on a ladder system or tournament. You say i play mostly teamgames yet i participated in more 1v1 tourneys than you.

CANNED_F3TUS · February 2018

I think as the updates come in,the meta game will improve. More options and play styles will become available to us eventually as they continue to balance the game and add content.

Dullahan · February 2018

You're not a slave to the metagame. Do your own thing.

If you get good enough at it, then the meta will change because everyone is losing with their meta builds.

The game is extremely well balanced and almost anything is viable.

CANNED_F3TUS · February 2018

@Bigamo said:

@Dullahan said:
You're not a slave to the metagame. Do your own thing.

If you get good enough at it, then the meta will change because everyone is losing with their meta builds.

The game is extremely well balanced and almost anything is viable.

Lol, not true at all. It's Impossible to defend against Tactical spam with imba Deathwatch without doing it yourself. I NEVER lost while Tactical spaming to anything that was not a tactical spam and never beat ranger spam without tactical spam.

I think the meta is not as dominant in 2 v 2s and 3 v 3s as it is with 1 v 1.

Dullahan · February 2018

@Bigamo said:

@Dullahan said:
You're not a slave to the metagame. Do your own thing.

If you get good enough at it, then the meta will change because everyone is losing with their meta builds.

The game is extremely well balanced and almost anything is viable.

Lol, not true at all. It's Impossible to defend against Tactical spam with imba Deathwatch without doing it yourself. I NEVER lost while Tactical spaming to anything that was not a tactical spam and never beat ranger spam without tactical spam.

I can demonstrate for you sometime.

I'll play SM and you can do the cheesiest Tac spam build you can think of. I will not only beat it without tac spamming, but I will do so without using any 2 or 3 point elites. What do ya say?

ParanoidKami · February 2018

@Bigamo said:

@Dullahan said:
You're not a slave to the metagame. Do your own thing.

If you get good enough at it, then the meta will change because everyone is losing with their meta builds.

The game is extremely well balanced and almost anything is viable.

Lol, not true at all. It's Impossible to defend against Tactical spam with imba Deathwatch without doing it yourself. I NEVER lost while Tactical spaming to anything that was not a tactical spam and never beat ranger spam without tactical spam.

Tac spam is countered by Dev spam.

ParanoidKami · February 2018

@Bigamo said:

@ParanoidKami said:

@Bigamo said:

@Dullahan said:
You're not a slave to the metagame. Do your own thing.

If you get good enough at it, then the meta will change because everyone is losing with their meta builds.

The game is extremely well balanced and almost anything is viable.

Lol, not true at all. It's Impossible to defend against Tactical spam with imba Deathwatch without doing it yourself. I NEVER lost while Tactical spaming to anything that was not a tactical spam and never beat ranger spam without tactical spam.

Tac spam is countered by Dev spam.

not at all, in TRUE DOW (the mode we played yesterday) it is, in vanilla PC cheese its not.

1) a single nade unsetup a HB and he get erased by mass tactical fire before even getting back on feet.

2) you can't press a tactical masser with HBs cause of low speed plus setup time.

3) the best one can do is defend both stupid shield gens and give total map control to the tactical masser.

Nades are close range. Devs do damage in a circle so they hit multiple models at once. Tacs will get shredded by Dev fire. Tacs can't enter cover.

vindicarex · February 2018

@ParanoidKami said:

@Bigamo said:

@ParanoidKami said:

@Bigamo said:

@Dullahan said:
You're not a slave to the metagame. Do your own thing.

If you get good enough at it, then the meta will change because everyone is losing with their meta builds.

The game is extremely well balanced and almost anything is viable.

Lol, not true at all. It's Impossible to defend against Tactical spam with imba Deathwatch without doing it yourself. I NEVER lost while Tactical spaming to anything that was not a tactical spam and never beat ranger spam without tactical spam.

Tac spam is countered by Dev spam.

not at all, in TRUE DOW (the mode we played yesterday) it is, in vanilla PC cheese its not.

1) a single nade unsetup a HB and he get erased by mass tactical fire before even getting back on feet.

2) you can't press a tactical masser with HBs cause of low speed plus setup time.

3) the best one can do is defend both stupid shield gens and give total map control to the tactical masser.

Nades are close range. Devs do damage in a circle so they hit multiple models at once. Tacs will get shredded by Dev fire. Tacs can't enter cover.

Pretty sure a tactical or DA can just walk up to a dev and throw a grenade and take very manageable damage in the process... and this doesn't even consider "good" micro.

Tactial squad might lose like 1 member, maybe get close to taking out DA shield... all that doesn't mean much when your 450 req unit becomes unable to fire and unable to run and soon to die.

Bigamo is right - DA/Tact nades make for a very easy time when facing weapons teams.

ParanoidKami · February 2018

I was talking about multiple Devs, not single

Dullahan · February 2018

@ParanoidKami said:
I was talking about multiple Devs, not single

Especially when combined with Scouts and Blind Grenades/Mines.

Metagame is boring.

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